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#46 pepaw

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 07:15 PM

4 teams used a lot of read option last year. 3 of them made the playoffs and one went to the Superbowl.

 

If we continue to run Cam as much as we did the past two seasons, it will shorten his career and make him injury prone. 



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Posted 24 June 2013 - 08:04 PM

The dilemma is really about how much risk you want to assume in running Cam versus protecting him in the pocket. We all know Cam can run and is going to be elusive. He is going to scramble which is less likely to cause injury versus a blindsided sack. This is really about how many intentional times you run Newton when defenses figure out that you are going to use Newton as a decoy. Then you have to run him or limit the usefulness of the read option. Or you use the pistol formation to run or throw out of it. It looks like a read option but you use it to freeze the safeties so Ginn can fly deep or Smutty coming across the middle.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 09:09 PM

Remember when Clay Matthews got hurt trying to tackle Cam. That was awesome.

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Posted 24 June 2013 - 09:41 PM

all for cam running when the pocket collapses or 2 times or 3 read option plays but that's it, he slides to avoid contact so i'm not worried about him getting injured he's smart enough to avoid avoidable injuries.



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Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:08 PM

I hope not.

Using your franchise QB as a goal line battering ram ( when you have Tolbert) is not smart.

 

i said goal to go.. not goal line.
 



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Posted 24 June 2013 - 11:26 PM

We have our pro bowl center back, we have one of the best left tackles in the game, our RT is heading into his third season as a starter and is playing well.  We have Silatolu, an improved 2nd year guard and Hangman starting at the other guard.    I believe with the return of Kalil and more of an emphasis on the run our line will be very good.  Hopefully, will be better when the Rook is ready to play.

 

Defenses gameplanned to stop the read option and Chudz was too damn headstrong to reaize it wasn't working.  Once we shifted to more of a pro style offense.  We played better.   Obviously giving Cam the option to audible helped too.   And that is where I think the read option becomes an asset.

 

Now that we are away from running it as our base offense.  Defenses cannot just line up and take away the read option.  When Cam sees a defensive alignment that is favorable to the read option.   He calls an audible and runs it.   What I like about the read option it is that we have, Run, Pass or Read Option.  Gives defenses just one more thing to work on when they play us.  As long as we don't fall in love with it again.

 

The run against Atlanta last year was perfect example of how awesome it can be if we use it when they least expect it.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 12:18 AM

What everyone saw from Kaepernick, Wilson, RG3, or even Cam last year really opened the eyes of NFL owners. That is, more will be expected from their QBs. In the very near future teams will find it harder to compete without a dual threat QB. Right now pure pocket passing QBs are winning by default because most of the teams in the NFL have pure pocket passers.

 

The read option and mobile QBeing are one and the same. No stopping it. No offensive coordinator is gonna come to a team, scratch off 741 yards of offense and expect to keep a job. No offensive coordinator is gonna watch on a weekly basis kaep, rg3, wilson, or maybe ej dropping 35 and ask Cam to do his best payton rendition. Not happening.

 

Wake up and smell the coffee people, there a lot of safe run throughout a game where a QB can pick up 5-6 yards and barely get touch keeping the chain moving. Wilson is the king at doing that and was putting 50 on people weekly. QBs will be expected to do just that on a gamely basis. Everybody was talking how great tum bready was last year until he hit the wilson/kaepernick wall. 

 

Will the Redskin system work in the league in the long run? Hell, no. But Kaep & Wilson will be putting 35 for a long time and I think we will soon too. my 2 cent.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 12:29 AM

We have our pro bowl center back, we have one of the best left tackles in the game, our RT is heading into his third season as a starter and is playing well.  We have Silatolu, an improved 2nd year guard and Hangman starting at the other guard.    I believe with the return of Kalil and more of an emphasis on the run our line will be very good.  Hopefully, will be better when the Rook is ready to play.

 

Defenses gameplanned to stop the read option and Chudz was too damn headstrong to reaize it wasn't working.  Once we shifted to more of a pro style offense.  We played better.   Obviously giving Cam the option to audible helped too.   And that is where I think the read option becomes an asset.

 

Now that we are away from running it as our base offense.  Defenses cannot just line up and take away the read option.  When Cam sees a defensive alignment that is favorable to the read option.   He calls an audible and runs it.   What I like about the read option it is that we have, Run, Pass or Read Option.  Gives defenses just one more thing to work on when they play us.  As long as we don't fall in love with it again.

 

The run against Atlanta last year was perfect example of how awesome it can be if we use it when they least expect it.

That's what I'm afraid of. Us blowing some good team out with some big runs on the read-option then the coaching staff or even the owner falling in love with it and ask for more. If the O-line steps up and the receiving core doesn't, I'm afraid it might come to that. I saw that in the redskins vs steelers game. The receivers were horrendous, they drop about 12 balls that game. Only way they could move the ball was was on the ground. I've a feeling that's gonna be our story next year.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 12:55 AM

cam should run...when the pocket collapses or his receivers are covered and there is no screen.

 

and that will happen. 

 

but they gotta stop calling the plays designed for him to run so much.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 12:57 AM

That's what I'm afraid of. Us blowing some good team out with some big runs on the read-option then the coaching staff or even the owner falling in love with it and ask for more. If the O-line steps up and the receiving core doesn't, I'm afraid it might come to that. I saw that in the redskins vs steelers game. The receivers were horrendous, they drop about 12 balls that game. Only way they could move the ball was was on the ground. I've a feeling that's gonna be our story next year.

 

If we are blowing some good teams out with long runs then we are using the read option correctly.

 

IMO the only person in love with the read option is GONE.

 

RGIII completion rate was quite high, but then again, he is a dinker and dunker. That is that west coast garbage.  I saw an ariticle not too long ago where Shanahan loves the Read Option.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 12:58 AM

the dink and dunk has its place.  its a great way to establish rythm and get defenses to bite on the short game, which opens up the long ball.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 01:28 AM

sounds pretty, but considering he has never had a comeback win, and has blown several wins with horrific play at the end of games, and has never quarterbacked a winning season, do you think they might be considering moving him to tight end? would love to hear yalls comments, because lets face it, he's a great open field runner. god, i must be a genious!

Please make point when you troll.

 

Trolling 101: Use actual stats. comeback win is NOT a stat. Only losers and lucky people do things on a comeback. Most people get it right at the first time or get it wrong. Going back to school to get your GED at 50 doesn't make you a genius. Michael Jordan put 50 on teams so he can sit down in the 4th quarter so he doesn't need to comeback. Employers don't employ people to comeback and get it right. There is a reason people put their hand over their head after losing on a comeback.

 

Cam is a winner and will always be a winner. Won 1 national championship, 1 heisman in 1 year of college football.

 

Trolling 102: Don't be obvious you're trying to rile up your audience. Like the phrase 'has never', what period are you referring to? His 2 years in the league? Two years is pretty countable buddy, you don't need that phrase 'has never' there to make your point.



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 01:42 AM

If we are blowing some good teams out with long runs then we are using the read option correctly.

 

IMO the only person in love with the read option is GONE.

 

RGIII completion rate was quite high, but then again, he is a dinker and dunker. That is that west coast garbage.  I saw an ariticle not too long ago where Shanahan loves the Read Option.

 

Tum Bready makes a living on that dink an dunk stuff. RG3 also put up some bombs in the air when the D bites too much. Moving the ball is moving the ball. It takes a good coach to know their personnel and adapt to it. I'm certain the less performance we get from the other offensive players the more will be asked of Cam.
 



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 01:56 AM

The dilemma is really about how much risk you want to assume in running Cam versus protecting him in the pocket. We all know Cam can run and is going to be elusive. He is going to scramble which is less likely to cause injury versus a blindsided sack. This is really about how many intentional times you run Newton when defenses figure out that you are going to use Newton as a decoy. Then you have to run him or limit the usefulness of the read option. Or you use the pistol formation to run or throw out of it. It looks like a read option but you use it to freeze the safeties so Ginn can fly deep or Smutty coming across the middle.

Ginn will fly, it's the catching the ball part that can't be guaranteed. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, I couldn't keep my self from typing that. lol

 



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Posted 25 June 2013 - 02:38 AM

Tum Bready makes a living on that dink an dunk stuff. RG3 also put up some bombs in the air when the D bites too much. Moving the ball is moving the ball. It takes a good coach to know their personnel and adapt to it. I'm certain the less performance we get from the other offensive players the more will be asked of Cam.
 

 

 

Never said it wasn't effective.   I just don't care for it.

 

That is true with any team.  Less performance means someone is going to have to step up.  Whether it is the QB or another player.  If you want Cam to "Step Up" where is he supposed to do it.  Running the ball again?  I would rather see him step up and get in someone ass about dropping good passes than to start promotioning the read option again.

 

It doesn't matter what sport you play until you get contributions from everyone someone has to step up.   Look at the late 80's and 90's Chicago Bulls (Granted Basketball on has 5 guys NFL has 22) but the Bulls had Michael, Pippen, who will make it to the HOF because he rode Jordan's coattail.  And a bunch of good contributors.  Horace Grant, Hodges, Armstrong and so on all were good serviceable players.  A couple made alot of money and did little after they left Chicago.  Before them thought Jordan sometimes would have to carry the whole team.  And a lot of times it just wasn't enough.  Once Chicago filled their roster with solid contributors they won 6 Championships in 8 years. 




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