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Now look at the % on welfare to the total population.therein lies your answer.

goodnight sweet Alice. You shant win these type of conversations

You're trying to convince me about the supposed motivations on my opinion on a matter. Yet every time stats make your argument unfounded, you add a new racial layer. As a business person, I only see a financial issue where you are seeing a racial issue. You are the only one discussing race and given you are a white guy from Appalachia area and I'm from a country where racism based on skin color doesn't really exists, it a lot more likely you may be just speaking on your own personal feelings. Bottom line, if you were sending almost half your money to someone, you would probably care a lot more where that money goes and if it's being wasted or inappropriately used or given away.

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murder one person or murder 30 people

still murder

Not sure if serious! I think you must have murdered a bunch of brain cells to come up with that one! Wow, I just ...wow!

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You're trying to convince me about the supposed motivations on my opinion on a matter. Yet every time stats make your argument unfounded, you add a new racial layer. As a business person, I only see a financial issue where you are seeing a racial issue. You are the only one discussing race and given you are a white guy from Appalachia area and I'm from a country where racism based on skin color doesn't really exists, it a lot more likely you may be just speaking on your own personal feelings. Bottom line, if you were sending almost half your money to someone, you would probably care a lot more where that money goes and if it's being wasted or inappropriately used or given away.

 

Race was brought into this thread when you discussed a Klansman's great idea about welfare drug testing. I simply said it was a racist and ineffective idea.

 

You are as close to 50% as I am to your tax rate.

 

You see a financial issue because that is all you are programmed to see. I see it differently only because money is not the sole reason for my existence (although it is an important one).

 

What % of your personal tax money goes to TANF?

 

Now take 2% of that number and you have how many people you give money to that use drugs.

 

Now whether they use their money on drugs is a completely different discussion

 

 

 

 

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See Borat gets it!

So just to simplify what Panthros saying, if this were a collection platter, one guy is stuffing hundred dollar bills in it every weekend. But this one time he took a penny out of it. Yet that is the exact same as the guy who goes there and puts in a dime, then a few hours later gets his dime back along with a hundred dollar bill week after week. Forget the fact I already paid almost $100k in just property taxes these past 10 weeks and every year, I took $1,500 a decade ago so I'm no different than people on welfare!

HAHAHAHAHA, that's just ridiculous!

 

Oh you're different that the folks on welfare.  You have a bigger house, cars, expensive shoes, and silly blue dog prints.

 

What makes you the same is some sense of entitlement to money that isn't yours, even if its on a small scale.

 

You can rationalize the fact that you took welfare by telling everyone about the taxes you paid, but at the end of the day you stood in line to get your government cheese just like the poors.  What makes it disgusting is if you are who and what you say you are, you didn't need it. You just took it because "you deserved it".

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Race was brought into this thread when you discussed a Klansman's great idea about welfare drug testing. I simply said it was a racist and ineffective idea.

You are as close to 50% as I am to your tax rate.

You see a financial issue because that is all you are programmed to see. I see it differently only because money is not the sole reason for my existence (although it is an important one).

What % of your personal tax money goes to TANF?

Now take 2% of that number and you have how many people you give money to that use drugs.

Now whether they use their money on drugs is a completely different discussion

Actually I was pointing out that contrary to the implication of Beldings post made essentially insinuating that my area is all racists because they voted in Duke. I was just trying to explain the financial climate at the time of the election and how he was voted it in on his platform of cutting taxes, IN SPITE of his previous klan ties. I mentioned one of the only legislation he tried to push through and added I think it wasn't such a bad idea. Now whether his motivation back then was racial, I don't know , I was too young to vote and don't really care. I am just talking about my own personal opinion on drug testing recipients, I like the idea and don't see any real negatives. It helps the user to stop using and thus helping make them a more productive member of society and the state saves money on the ones that don't want to stop. At the end of the day we have different opinions on the matter, but looks like the majority of the US states agree with me and not you.

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Look at AZ recently....just because a state(s) pass a law does not mean A) It's a good/moral law B) represent the constituents

 

 

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Actually I was pointing out that contrary to the implication of Beldings post made essentially insinuating that my area is all racists because they voted in Duke. I was just trying to explain the financial climate at the time of the election and how he was voted it in on his platform of cutting taxes, IN SPITE of his previous klan ties. I mentioned one of the only legislation he tried to push through and added I think it wasn't such a bad idea. Now whether his motivation back then was racial, I don't know , I was too young to vote and don't really care. I am just talking about my own personal opinion on drug testing recipients, I like the idea and don't see any real negatives. It helps the user to stop using and thus helping make them a more productive member of society and the state saves money on the ones that don't want to stop. At the end of the day we have different opinions on the matter, but looks like the majority of the US states agree with me and not you.

 

You are no different that those getting welfare.....except that it came from a different source.

 

Them...the gov't

 

You...your family

 

Fact is that neither group earned anything they got.

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US population breakdown from the US Census:

 

White alone, percent, 2012: 77.9%

Black or African American alone, percent, 2012: 13.1%

American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent, 2012: 1.2%

Asian alone, percent, 2012: 5.1%

Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent, 2012: 0.2%

Two or More Races, percent, 2012: 2.4%

Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2012: 16.9%

 

now, how even is the welfare breakdown?  white (<0.5x population %) vs black (3x population %).  over 600% difference vs population %.

 

source

 

now we can all agree that being on welfare is not directly relate to race, however, what this does show is that a Klansman had an opportunity to write a law that would negatively affect 600% more black people than white people.  don't even think for a second that race wasn't a motivation for him.

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You're trying to convince me about the supposed motivations on my opinion on a matter. Yet every time stats make your argument unfounded, you add a new racial layer. As a business person, I only see a financial issue where you are seeing a racial issue. You are the only one discussing race and given you are a white guy from Appalachia area and I'm from a country where racism based on skin color doesn't really exists, it a lot more likely you may be just speaking on your own personal feelings. Bottom line, if you were sending almost half your money to someone, you would probably care a lot more where that money goes and if it's being wasted or inappropriately used or given away.

 

i know right.

 

you certainly wouldn't find a spaniard posting links to white supremacist internet forums on this site

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lolz...racism is rampant across Europe.  much worse and more open than in the US.  hell, they even had an attempted genocide just a decade ago.  we know you're an arrogant, tactless douche, but if you believe you and Spain are above racism, you're a blind, ignorant fool, too.

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i know right.

you certainly wouldn't find a spaniard posting links to white supremacist internet forums on this site

I wonder what red-skinned people would have to say about the compassion of Spaniards.

Alice you have a really romanticized idea of Spain, yet the Spanish Inquisition and history of Spain's relationship with the Moors say otherwise.

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