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I feel you get just as much gov't assistance/subsidies as someone on welfare....if you make as much as you claim.

Test everyone or no one.

Exactly what subsidies/ assistance do I get? Homestead exemption?

Also, from a business standpoint of annual tax system:

Me - couple hundred $k paid in / a $3-5k of tax exemptions

Assistance recipient - zero to a few $k in / $18k+ out

Which of those seems like it is a sustainable model for a functioning govt?

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According to 2010 specifics, the racial makeup of welfare recipients are:

White: 31.9%

Black: 31.8%

Hispanic : 30%

So when you say there are racial motivations , that means they are targeting and trying the oppress the white people as they are largest group receiving welfare?

 

 

 

 

The connection between race and deservingness is the crux of Gilens's argument, and the solution to the twin paradoxes he poses. Americans, it turns out, are perfectly willing to support welfare policies, as long as they believe that the recipients of aid are deserving. But many white Americans fault the work ethic of blacks. It is this kind of belief, Gilens shows, and not more overtly "racist" attitudes such as the belief that blacks are innately inferior, that affects support for welfare programs.

http://prospect.org/article/why-americans-hate-welfare

 

 

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Just to give you a backround from that race, it was at a time when local economy was in a little slump and city was cash strapped, the guy running off with Duke said he would raise property taxes, while Duke was more about saving tax money by scaling back tax funded assistance program ( something Obama has also done). So given the two options, people voted with their wallets, not ideals. I personally dislike the guy and so did most of the people that voted for him, but it came down to money.

In fact it seems his idea over 20 years ago was not so bad if it actually has been implemented in multiple states and many more coming. As someone in a near 40% tax bracket, I have an issue with how many people believe govt assistance is a right as opposed to a privilege. I believe you need to help our poor and should have buffers in place for people who come on hard times, but people who do nothing to improve their situation EVER is a real issue. The person that is on govt assistance their entire life while using drugs, and never trying to improve their situation is not part of a sustainable economy,. I have a friend with a deadbeat dad who hurt his back like 30 years ago and all he has done is get disability and social security checks, stays loaded on pain meds, and does occasional side jobs for cash while collecting a few thousand from govt every month. Those are the people I have issue with and that has zero to do with race as he is white.

 

Says the freeloading dickbag who took a FEMA check to have an ebay shopping spree

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A 15 year old commentary by some I know guy? The racial makeup of TANF isn't even remotely what it was when that was written so not sure how that is even relevant.

Further, I'm speaking about my personal beliefs while you're trying to say that the average person with this same ideas have underlying racial bias yet can only post a 15 year old outdated commentary to support that while I'm posting actual black and white statistics! (No pun intended) I've seen many people throughout my life that I believe are taking advantage of govt assistance and that bothers me when I have to make those huge tax payments, but it has nothing to do with their race as almost all are white and a few are Hispanic. Actually one of my bigger properties is a 4 building office complex and most of the tenants are black business owners with most starting new business and succeeding. So if I had any racial prejudice, which I don't, it would be against the lazy whites I know as most of my black friends, clients and tenants are all pretty successful and hardworking people.

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This conversation is a little over you're IQ level, so don't embarrass yourself by trying to join in, just stick to your little photoshopped gifs instead.

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Says the freeloading dickbag who took a FEMA check to have an ebay shopping spree

If he's worth as much as he claims, he's paid way more into the system than a couple grand from FEMA would offset.
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If he's worth as much as he claims, he's paid way more into the system than a couple grand from FEMA would offset.

Which is precisely why I bolded what I did.

 

That attitude of "Ive paid so much in that its my right to take some out" Is no different than the people he is maligning who believe they have a "right" to be supported.

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A 15 year old commentary by some I know guy? The racial makeup of TANF isn't even remotely what it was when that was written so not sure how that is even relevant.

Further, I'm speaking about my personal beliefs while you're trying to say that the average person with this same ideas have underlying racial bias yet can only post a 15 year old outdated commentary to support that while I'm posting actual black and white statistics! (No pun intended) I've seen many people throughout my life that I believe are taking advantage of govt assistance and that bothers me when I have to make those huge tax payments, but it has nothing to do with their race as almost all are white and a few are Hispanic. Actually one of my bigger properties is a 4 building office complex and most of the tenants are black business owners with most starting new business and succeeding. So if I had any racial prejudice, which I don't, it would be against the lazy whites I know as most of my black friends, clients and tenants are all pretty successful and hardworking people.

 

Actually the racial make up is almost exactly the same.

 

Also how is your personal belief any different than mine. Well the difference is I am just attaching studies/commentaries that support my point.

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If he's worth as much as he claims, he's paid way more into the system than a couple grand from FEMA would offset.

It was like $1,500 disaster relief check they gave everyone to help with emergency expenses. There was no legal restriction for it and the local news even showed some people at strip clubs using their FEMA and Red Cross money, I didn't need it for emergency supplies because I already used my personal money to purchase them a week earlier. So if you want to be technical, it was just a refund of what I had forked out. Also, there was at least another $3900 money immediately available to me for free , a temporary FEMA trailer, and Red Cross asistance of over $15k available for free over the next 2 years, yet I never took another penny, I like how people get on their high horse about a $1,500 check, yet how many of those would turn down another almost $20k of money like I did!? With what I pay in taxes, that was like a 0.000001% refund.

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Actually the racial make up is almost exactly the same.

Also how is your personal belief any different than mine. Well the difference is I am just attaching studies/commentaries that support my point.

Racial makeup is not even close to what it was just 10 years ago, much less 15. You should google info before making factual claims. Whites has risen, Hispanics has big increase, blacks have big decrease.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/thenextamerica/education/racial-trends-federal-aid-for-needy-families-20130116

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Racial makeup is not even close to what it was just 10 years ago, much less 15. You should google info before making factual claims. Whites has risen, Hispanics has big increase, blacks have big decrease.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/thenextamerica/education/racial-trends-federal-aid-for-needy-families-20130116

 

In 2000, the racial breakdown of welfare was: blacks 38.6 percent, whites 31.2 percent and Hispanics 25 percent.

 

 

From you earlier.

According to 2010 specifics, the racial makeup of welfare recipients are:

White: 31.9%

Black: 31.8%

Hispanic : 30%

 

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