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#16 Proudiddy

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 11:18 PM

This thread was pretty much made with the idea that we didn't get a 2 guard in the draft. After watching that NBA job interview thing on ESPN, I am convinced even more so of my preference of drafting Oladipo. I think he's going to end up like DWade in his prime.

If we don't get him or McLemore (who I don't want), then Smith is my top option in FA.

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 01:25 AM

I find it very hard to want Oladipo. If we didn't have MKG, I'd pull hard for Vic, but we do.

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 01:34 AM

Smith, Henderson, or Mayo needs to be a BuzzCat if we don't address the shooting guard position in free agency.



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 07:52 AM

I like JR Smith and agree he would be an upgrade, but I would rather make a strong push for Monta Ellis as he is a better scorer and defender.  I know it sounds crazy, but after watching Nate Robinson this year vs The Heat, I would almost rather have him than Smith as well... probably get him cheaper too.



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 08:01 AM

I like JR Smith and agree he would be an upgrade, but I would rather make a strong push for Monta Ellis as he is a better scorer and defender.  I know it sounds crazy, but after watching Nate Robinson this year vs The Heat, I would almost rather have him than Smith as well... probably get him cheaper too.

 

Neither could start with Kemba...

 

Nate is purely a point guard and Ellis is a combo guard.

 

Milwaukee is prepared to let one of Brandon Jennings or Monta Ellis walk (and let the remaining player play the point), because they can't play together and because that back court is too small.

 

Even our back court is small with Kemba and Henderson, but at least Henderson plays defense.

 

Keep in mind that this will be the second back court that Ellis has broken up (Curry and Ellis).

 

Also Kemba averaged a not too shabby 17.7 points per game, so I wouldn't be so sure that he would defer to Ellis.

 

I'm not denying Ellis' talent because he is a very good basketball player, but it's hard to see Ellis and Kemba coexisting.

 

I'm really intrigued by Smith because his height would actually give us pretty good size as the first three positions (Kemba, Smith, MKG).



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 08:15 AM

Neither could start with Kemba...

 

Nate is purely a point guard and Ellis is a combo guard.

 

Milwaukee is prepared to let one of Brandon Jennings or Monta Ellis walk because they can't play together and because that back court is too small and let the remaining player play the point guard.

 

Even our back court is small with Kemba and Henderson, but at least Henderson plays defense.

 

Keep in mind that this will be the second back court that Ellis has broken up (Curry and Ellis).

I don't disagree with what you are saying, but I would rather have Ellis than Smith and I dont' necessarily agree that JR Smith and Kemba would have magical chemistry either.  I think Ellis is more of a complete player that would immediately be the feature player on our team whereas Smith is mainly a 3-pt threat that needs to play beside a feature player so that he is not the defensive focal point. 

 

Smith could be had for way cheaper so taking that into consideration he may be a better fit financially, but if money didn't matter, I would take Ellis all day.



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 08:36 AM

I don't disagree with what you are saying, but I would rather have Ellis than Smith and I dont' necessarily agree that JR Smith and Kemba would have magical chemistry either.  I think Ellis is more of a complete player that would immediately be the feature player on our team whereas Smith is mainly a 3-pt threat that needs to play beside a feature player so that he is not the defensive focal point. 

 

Smith could be had for way cheaper so taking that into consideration he may be a better fit financially, but if money didn't matter, I would take Ellis all day.

 

You're right neither Smith or Ellis would be guaranteed to have success with Kemba, but you also make a great point regarding each players game (though I don't believe Ellis is a more complete player by any means).

 

Smith is primarily a jump shooter who is great off the catch and shoot and is also good off the single dribble and shoot technique as where Ellis is primarily a driver. 

 

If you look at the way Kemba plays, you see more of a Monta Ellis player in him then you see a J.R. Smith player in him. So it's much easier to see a Kemba/Smith back court succeeding than a Kemba/Ellis back court.

 

Kemba loves to attack the rim (much like Monta Ellis) and in my opinion a player like J.R. Smith makes Kemba even more dangerous because he would have a player that he could kick the ball out to after drawing pressure from Smith's defender.

 

On top of that, Ellis is an awful three point shooter, he hasn't shot over 28% from the three point line in the past two years. A shooting guard needs to be able to knock down a three point shot, simple as that.

 

Also Ellis, like Smith has never really been a true feature player as he's always had other great guards around him (Curry and Jennings).

 

I also don't think either is clearly a more complete player over the other. They are both very good scores, albeit; they do it in different ways. Ellis is clearly the better facilitator and Smith is clearly the better player on the board. They also both leave much to be desired on the defensive end, but at least Smith can match up better with opposing teams shooting guards due to his length.

 

Oh, and they are both headcases.



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 04:14 PM

You're right neither Smith or Ellis would be guaranteed to have success with Kemba, but you also make a great point regarding each players game (though I don't believe Ellis is a more complete player by any means).

 

Smith is primarily a jump shooter who is great off the catch and shoot and is also good off the single dribble and shoot technique as where Ellis is primarily a driver. 

 

If you look at the way Kemba plays, you see more of a Monta Ellis player in him then you see a J.R. Smith player in him. So it's much easier to see a Kemba/Smith back court succeeding than a Kemba/Ellis back court.

 

Kemba loves to attack the rim (much like Monta Ellis) and in my opinion a player like J.R. Smith makes Kemba even more dangerous because he would have a player that he could kick the ball out to after drawing pressure from Smith's defender.

 

On top of that, Ellis is an awful three point shooter, he hasn't shot over 28% from the three point line in the past two years. A shooting guard needs to be able to knock down a three point shot, simple as that.

 

Also Ellis, like Smith has never really been a true feature player as he's always had other great guards around him (Curry and Jennings).

 

I also don't think either is clearly a more complete player over the other. They are both very good scores, albeit; they do it in different ways. Ellis is clearly the better facilitator and Smith is clearly the better player on the board. They also both leave much to be desired on the defensive end, but at least Smith can match up better with opposing teams shooting guards due to his length.

 

Oh, and they are both headcases.

 

Smith has a chance to be a better defender then Ellis that alone makes him a more complete player.

 



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 04:59 PM

Wouldn't be surprised if he gets 8-10 million. 



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Posted 27 June 2013 - 05:03 PM

Again I'd rather have Hendo because he isn't the headache that JR can be.

 

Jr is for sure the better scorer but Hendo is a more willing defender and more of a team player.

 

Plus I'm for sure he won't cost as much as Smith.



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Posted 29 June 2013 - 11:49 PM

JR Smith dominated the playoffs so I see why there are a few clamoring for him.

Wait.. I mean the opposite.

To Pay JR Smith like a franchise guy is insane..Let him go to Atl like he will.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 12:07 AM

JR Smith dominated the playoffs so I see why there are a few clamoring for him.

Wait.. I mean the opposite.

To Pay JR Smith like a franchise guy is insane..Let him go to Atl like he will.

 

"Dominated in the Playoffs", nope. J.R. disappeared in the Playoffs. Many believed that may hurt is market. His numbers were down from the regular season in nearly every category:
 

PPG RPG FG% 3PFG% FT% APG

Regular Season 18.1 5.3 .422 .356 .762 2.7

Conference Semifinals 13.5 5 .288 .230 .740 1.3

 

The Bucks were showing some serious interests in him and his former teammate Chris Copeland. Reports are saying they are now intending to keep Jennings, but JR could be a good replacement for Monta Ellis.




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