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#136 thatlookseasy

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 12:45 PM

You can bank on Boston getting #1 next year.  Not to mention those prospects everyone wants could not be what everyone thought they were after playing a year in college.  Shabazz was supposed to be a top 3 pick, McLemore dropped out of the top 5, etc.   You just never know.  

 

Just like in 2007, when they finished with the 2nd worst record in the NBA and ended up picking 5th the year Durant/ Oden came out?



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Posted 02 July 2013 - 12:47 PM

Just like in 2007, when they finished with the 2nd worst record in the NBA and ended up picking 5th the year Durant/ Oden came out?

 

Oh I didn't know they traded two hall of famers that year to a NY team......



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Posted 02 July 2013 - 12:47 PM

If we give him a contract in the 10-12 million range at 4-5 years fine but if it is a 15+ million dollar a year deal then it is terrible.

Also to the people saying we will have three picks next year and can trade up for one of the great players no we can't. It is way more likely we end up with zero picks than three. So let us win 35-40 games miss the biggest draft in the past decade just so we can be an ok team for a couple years until they blow it up again and rebuild.

And to the people saying bringing Al won't stop us sucking why pay him big money? I get trying to be respectful but you shouldn't waste assets(cap space that can be used down the line) if it doesn't make you instantly better.

 

We can play the what if game all day long.

 

What if those guys(Wiggins, Parker, etc..) dont end up being as good as we possibly thought they would be?

What if we suck and get shafted again in the draft?

 

We could easily not sign anyone, win 10-15 games, get the #1 pick, select Wiggins, and go on to win an NBA title.

We could also win 10-15 games, get shafted again, not get Wiggins or Parker, and we are sitting right back at where we are now with a better player on the wing and a lack of a big man.

 

Sign Jefferson.  Inside game is set.  I think Jamison will sign on as well.  Go into this season with...

 

Kemba - Sessions

Henderson - Gordon

MKG - Taylor

Zeller- Jamison - Thomas

Jefferson - Biyombo - Haywood

 

If we dont get Wiggins or Parker, use the rest of the money/draft picks, to trade for a star on the wing.  Missing out on Wiggins or Parker ISNT the end of the world.



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Posted 02 July 2013 - 12:48 PM

Jefferson elevates us to an on the brink playoff team. Yall are probably tired of reading this but its not like we are out of money after we sign Jefferson. We have a lot more cap space next season and draft picks.

Im not exactly a fan of Jefferson. I wasnt a fan of Zeller, but im not too stubborn to realize what our organization is doing. Getting some bigs who can score to go along with Kemba. MKG is our stopper, along with Bismack. Henderson is a baller(if we re-sign him). If not, we have a SG spot WIDE open for either a draft pick or a free agent.


Exactly. Gordon's contract is coming off next year, and we will amnesty TNT next year if not this year. We should still have a good load of money to after after another threat next year.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 12:50 PM

Oh I didn't know they traded two hall of famers that year to a NY team......

 

Whats your point?  They were garbage that year (and tanked by basically sitting Pierce for the last couple months), and still got screwed by the lottery.  Thats how the lottery works, people that think it is rigged have a serious case of confirmation bias

 

There are inherent advantages for teams in big markets.  Having the lottery rigged for you is not one of them



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Posted 02 July 2013 - 12:53 PM

Quick question. How much is too much for Jefferson? In your opinion.



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Posted 02 July 2013 - 12:54 PM

Hearing fans complained about Jefferson being a bum and defensive liability is like offering to buy a homeless something to eat and they deny bc they rather have money. You can only have one thing. Find me a center in this free agency other than Howard who can bring both an offensive and defensive game. Answer: none. At this time, I rather have a offensive big than a defensive specialist.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 12:55 PM

I disagree and could write a book on the NBA conspiracy...but with me knowing that .05 % of it to be true.

I wish Freakonomics would do a breakdown on the NBA lottery.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 12:58 PM

Quick question. How much is too much for Jefferson? In your opinion.


16 + is probably too much.

14-15mil, I'd sign him in a heart beat.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 12:59 PM

16 + is probably too much.

14-15mil, I'd sign him in a heart beat.

For how long? D:



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Posted 02 July 2013 - 01:01 PM

For how long? D:


4-5 years

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 01:02 PM

4-5 years

I'd be okay with that, I just hope MJ isn't anywhere near this deal...



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Posted 02 July 2013 - 01:07 PM

I like Jefferson, he's got a go to skill (post scoring) and his game isnt based on athleticism so I'm not worried about him declining with age.

 

What does worry me is that he has always played for bad teams.  Obviously his teammates play a big part in that, but the last time his team won a playoff game he was a rookie in Boston playing back-up center behind Raef Lafrentz



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Posted 02 July 2013 - 01:25 PM

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What does worry me is that he has always played for bad teams. Obviously his teammates play a big part in that, but the last time his team won a playoff game he was a rookie in Boston playing back-up center behind Raef Lafrentz


How does that worry you? For example only, does it worry you if we want to go after a Kyrie Irving, John Wall, Monroe or Cousins in the future. I bet you wouldn't at all, and those are guys who hasn't even taste winning before. Big Al is the closet thing that will get us near the Playoffs.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 01:38 PM

Even if we end up with zero draft picks in next years draft we still will have assets like future picks and young players that can get us back in next year's draft.

But even if we don't get in the draft we have a poo ton of money coming off the books again. Which means even if we miss the draft we will have the money to get actual proven high quality players.

Next years draft is still an unknown. What if some of them aren't as good as you think they are now or some of them do what Smart from OK State did and go back to possibly be the #1 pick instead of the #4 of #5 pick.

What happens if we don't sign Jefferson but our players continue to develop, Zeller proves he is a player, and we still win 30-35 games? We would be in the same boat only without one of the best offensive centers in the league.


All decent points but addressing the last on in particular. If we won that many games without Al that would be awesome and preferable in my opinion. I guess it boils down to the fact Im not a huge fan of Jefferson. Im not saying he is a bad player but I don't see him as someone worth building around. And giving him a huge contract says he is that kind of player. If he came here for around 4 years 44 million im all for it but 4 years 60+ million is a massive overpay in my admittedly biased opinion.


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