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Ron Jaworski thinks Cam Newton is the 18th best QB in football.

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Interesting thread (and a couple of the members)...my first post here...anyway, regarding the original post, I respect Ron J's football analysis in general, but to have Romo, Cutler or even RGIII above Cam is ridiculous.  Even Kaepernick...he might continue his run and prove to be a great QB but right now he is a "good" QB on a phenomenal football team.  

Ron puts this at the end of his explanation of Cam; “Few quarterbacks are as talented as Newton. He’s a dual-threat quarterback with the ability to beat you with his arms and his legs." Then rates him 18th...

 

 

 

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Interesting thread (and a couple of the members)...my first post here...anyway, regarding the original post, I respect Ron J's football analysis in general, but to have Romo, Cutler or even RGIII above Cam is ridiculous.  Even Kaepernick...he might continue his run and prove to be a great QB but right now he is a "good" QB on a phenomenal football team.  

Ron puts this at the end of his explanation of Cam; “Few quarterbacks are as talented as Newton. He’s a dual-threat quarterback with the ability to beat you with his arms and his legs." Then rates him 18th...

 

 

 

That's because Jaworski considers it a NEGATIVE if you have more talent in your little finger running the ball than he ever dreamed about passing the ball.

 

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Interesting thread (and a couple of the members)...my first post here...anyway, regarding the original post, I respect Ron J's football analysis in general, but to have Romo, Cutler or even RGIII above Cam is ridiculous.  Even Kaepernick...he might continue his run and prove to be a great QB but right now he is a "good" QB on a phenomenal football team.  

Ron puts this at the end of his explanation of Cam; “Few quarterbacks are as talented as Newton. He’s a dual-threat quarterback with the ability to beat you with his arms and his legs." Then rates him 18th...

 

 

How is it ridiculous for Romo to be above Cam?

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How is it ridiculous for Romo to be above Cam?

 

Ok ridiculous may be a bit strong, but Romo has had a lower QB rating than CAM 2 of the 4 or 5 years he has played...comparing there running stats is not even close and IS ridiculous to even try and compare...Rushing is part of the QB game, at least for some QBs in the NFL, whether Ron or anyone else wants to acknowledge it.  It may be a fad and it may not always be the smartest but when Cam is getting 35 TDs per season (pass and run) and Romo is getting in the teens or twenties passing and running, i think an argument can be made for Cam.  I know i would rather have Cam on my team any day over Romo.  Romo has been surrounded by talent and has not capitalized on it.

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That's because Jaworski considers it a NEGATIVE if you have more talent in your little finger running the ball than he ever dreamed about passing the ball.

 

 

EXACTLY!  and this was my point.  These old school guys, base their rating on pure passers for the most part..they disdain and look down on the RGIIIs and Cams, but there success and growth/demand is undeniable.  Yes you still have to be a passer and be accurate, but these combination QBs like the above are far more valuable imo.  RGIII and Cam are both on teams that have more holes than Romo or some of these other clowns Ron loves.  Cam isnt the greatest QB in the NFL (right now), but I would put him in my top 10...especially if he could get ONE good receiver under the age of 34.

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Ok ridiculous may be a bit strong, but Romo has had a lower QB rating than CAM 2 of the 4 or 5 years he has played...comparing there running stats is not even close and IS ridiculous to even try and compare...Rushing is part of the QB game, at least for some QBs in the NFL, whether Ron or anyone else wants to acknowledge it.  It may be a fad and it may not always be the smartest but when Cam is getting 35 TDs per season (pass and run) and Romo is getting in the teens or twenties passing and running, i think an argument can be made for Cam.  I know i would rather have Cam on my team any day over Romo.  Romo has been surrounded by talent and has not capitalized on it.

 

I have no idea where you're getting your numbers but Romo's lowest QB rating was 90.5 compared to Cam's highest of 86.2. Excluding the season he was injured Romo is getting 28.5 TDs a season compared to Cam getting 31. Romo has 17.7 turnovers a season compared to Cam's 17. Their numbers are pretty close. And Romo's 64.7 completion % is much better than Cam's 58.9. Take just Romo's recent play (since logically the list should be based on who is better currently) and his numbers get slightly better. Romo ahead of Cam isn't nearly as bad as you seem to think.

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I have no idea where you're getting your numbers but Romo's lowest QB rating was 90.5 compared to Cam's highest of 86.2. Excluding the season he was injured Romo is getting 28.5 TDs a season compared to Cam getting 31. Romo has 17.7 turnovers a season compared to Cam's 17. Their numbers are pretty close. And Romo's 64.7 completion % is much better than Cam's 58.9. Take just Romo's recent play (since logically the list should be based on who is better currently) and his numbers get slightly better. Romo ahead of Cam isn't nearly as bad as you seem to think.

 

I am quoting their QBR (QB Rating) you are quoting their RAT (Total Passer Rating)...I can send you the stats if you like.  I didnt say it was that bad, as you say, many of their stats are comparable, with Romo having a slight edge in passing and experience... I took away the ridiculous claim, and see your points, but when you include rushing and rushing TDs with the whole picture, since that is a large part of Cam's game, I just think Cam is better than Romo in a "ranking game" and given two equally talented football teams, i would choose Cam as my QB any day.

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I am quoting their QBR (QB Rating) you are quoting their RAT (Total Passer Rating)...I can send you the stats if you like.  I didnt say it was that bad, as you say, many of their stats are comparable, with Romo having a slight edge in passing and experience... I took away the ridiculous claim, and see your points, but when you include rushing and rushing TDs with the whole picture, since that is a large part of Cam's game, I just think Cam is better than Romo in a "ranking game" and given two equally talented football teams, i would choose Cam as my QB any day.

 

Gotcha. An argument can be made for either, I was just disagreeing that it was ridiculous. Carry on

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He has RGknee 13th and Kaepernick 11th.

 

And by the process of elimination, he's gonna have Luck top 10.

 

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!! :lol:

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He has RGknee 13th and Kaepernick 11th.

 

And by the process of elimination, he's gonna have Luck top 10.

 

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!! :lol:

 

agreed... and the rest of the top 10 is fairly predictable.  We shouldnt put too much stock in it, he rated Rivers and Cutler at # 7 and 8 last year, which pretty much says it all.

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I have lost respect for Ron Jaworski. He has gone senile and no longer should be on TV. Putting Kaepernick at 11 after 7 starts is crazy. He hasn't even played a whole season's worth of games in his career. Like others have said in this thread, Cam is a top 10 QB in this league right now, and it's hard to even think of 9 QBs ahead of him.

 

1. Aaron Rodgers

2. Peyton Manning

3. Tom Brady

4. Drew Brees

5. Eli Manning

6. Matt Ryan

7. Ben Roethlisberger

8. Matthew Stafford

9. Andrew Luck

10. Cam Newton

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Romo puts up some numbers and I agree that like Cam he's unfairly looked down on because of his W/L record (which is a team stat) but Romo is a big time choke artist who frequently makes some mind-bogglingly bad decisions for a vet QB with as much time in the saddle as he's had.

I agree with that but to play devil's advocate he also has led a lot of quality 4th quarter comebacks as well. As much as I hate the Cowboys I do think romo gets unfairly criticized at times as well.. He sorta reminds me if a souped up Delhomme without all the awesome soufflé wins, just my take though.

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I have lost respect for Ron Jaworski. He has gone senile and no longer should be on TV. Putting Kaepernick at 11 after 7 starts is crazy. He hasn't even played a whole season's worth of games in his career. Like others have said in this thread, Cam is a top 10 QB in this league right now, and it's hard to even think of 9 QBs ahead of him.

 

1. Aaron Rodgers

2. Peyton Manning

3. Tom Brady

4. Drew Brees

5. Eli Manning

6. Matt Ryan

7. Ben Roethlisberger

8. Matthew Stafford

9. Andrew Luck

10. Cam Newton

 

Some writer on ninersnation said he would have ranked CK at 5! Lol. The homerism in strong with that one.

 

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I guess this troll has acheived his aim, as soon as you begin to type Ron Jaworski in google, the autocomplete suggests "Ron Jaworksi' QB rankings".

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