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Ron Jaworski thinks Cam Newton is the 18th best QB in football.


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#76 pilot2011

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 08:30 PM

simple and plain



#77 YOLO!

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 08:43 PM

Wilson and Luck ahead of Cam?


Nope.


Maybe Rivers
Maybe Stafford. Maybe.

Yeah that's debatable but I put them ahead of Cam because they led their team to the playoffs as a rookie. But as far as overall as a qb, I would take Cam over both.

 

Rivers has fallen off.

Stafford is overrated, he has maybe the best wr in NFL History, and still can't lead his team to the playoffs. Detroit is a talented team, put Cam on the Lions and they are a contender.



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Posted 06 July 2013 - 08:46 PM

Did you guys with all the opinions watch the segment?

Jaws said over and over that Cam had a ton of potential, but made a lot of mistakes, thus the ranking.

Not based on potential here, but results. So far, not getting to .500 is not actually, results. He should be able to move ahead this season, hopefully in a big way.

The guy I see dropping is Stafford. His Oline is nothing and he is getting more erratic each season.

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 08:52 PM

simple and plain

 

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#80 SIGCHI222

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 09:01 PM

And the pendulum swings left and the pendulum swings right and the pendulum swings left...until we win, opinions will vary with either the wind direction or the phase of the moon, take your pick.

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 09:08 PM

 WINS

 

I swear to god, some of y'all as dumb as poo.



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Posted 06 July 2013 - 09:08 PM

Yeah that's debatable but I put them ahead of Cam because they led their team to the playoffs as a rookie. But as far as overall as a qb, I would take Cam over both.

Rivers has fallen off.
Stafford is overrated, he has maybe the best wr in NFL History, and still can't lead his team to the playoffs. Detroit is a talented team, put Cam on the Lions and they are a contender.



Yeah my bad I was just talking quarterbacks by the numbers but you know The internets don't give two shits about numbers

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 09:11 PM

stirs argued for almost two weeks last year that we should start derek anderson in the final two games to "see what he has in the tank"

 

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:huh:

 

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 09:38 PM

Jaws said over and over that Cam had a ton of potential, but made a lot of mistakes, thus the ranking.
 

 

Luck made more mistakes.

 

Oh, but I forgot the mantra of the pea-brained: WINS.



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Posted 06 July 2013 - 10:01 PM

Luck made more mistakes.

 

Oh, but I forgot the mantra of the pea-brained: WINS.

 

luck and cam in pressure/close game situations:

 

 

from somethingawful

 

Final Margin 0-7
Luck 222-407, 54.5%, 7.0 YPA, 16/9 TD/Int, 80.6 QBR
Cam 138-251, 55.0%, 7.7 YPA, 08/6 TD/Int, 80.7 QBR

4TH QTR, +/-7 PTS
Luck 51-89, 57.3%, 7.7 YPA, 4/1 TD/Int, 92.3 QBR
Cam 36-59, 61.0%, 9.4 YPA, 2/1 TD/Int, 96.5 QBR

Behind by 1-8 Points
Luck 91-170, 53.5%, 7.7 YPA, 8/6 TD/Int, 80.0 QBR
Cam 79-142, 55.6%, 8.5 YPA, 6/3 TD/Int, 89.0 QBR

 

 

And this doesn't include his rushing numbers. 

 


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 11:17 PM

It has never been about the wins when it comes to Cam. Wait till he starts winning and you'll see how much respect he wont get. Anybody that knows anything about football know that Cam and the panthers will eventually start winning, u think the naysayers really dont know that? They are clinging to anything they can and will continue to do so.



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Posted 07 July 2013 - 12:06 AM

The same Ron Jaworski who threw for a grand total of 406 yards his first 2 NFL seasons.



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Posted 07 July 2013 - 01:21 AM

Did you guys with all the opinions watch the segment?

Jaws said over and over that Cam had a ton of potential, but made a lot of mistakes, thus the ranking.

Not based on potential here, but results. So far, not getting to .500 is not actually, results. He should be able to move ahead this season, hopefully in a big way.

The guy I see dropping is Stafford. His Oline is nothing and he is getting more erratic each season.

 

Jaws is smart enough to know that the record our team had is more of a reflection on the team itself than Cam.

 

This ranking kinda stinks of him trying to stir up controversy or something.

 

Putting him at 18 puts him in the bottom half of the league; this is idiotic. :P



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Posted 07 July 2013 - 02:12 AM

I won't argue too much with this based on last season. Cam isn't the most accurate QB in terms of precision passing, which is surely what an ex-QB like Jaws looks for when ranking QB's. I'm almost certain he likely doesn't take rushing yards/TD's into account - at least not as much as they impact the game and make Cam much more dangerous than most QB's with his passing skills would be.

 

I think 15 would be more accurate, but 18 isn't as far off as many here are making it out to be. There's a bit of a logjam in the 12-18 range anyway. Most of those guys in that range are basically interchangeable.



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Posted 07 July 2013 - 05:22 AM

Jaws is saying the same think that we say here he has tons of potential but needs to limit his mistakes. I think thatbis very accurate. If he had not fumbled against Atlanta in the first game and had not thrown the ball in the dirt in the Seattle game we would have been 9-7 and he probably would have been in the top ten.


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