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#169 Delhommey

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:28 PM

I'm familiar with the holocaust, thanks. That graph's also quite helpful in illustrating my point that Jews are doing pretty damned well considering an entire continent tried to exterminate them relatively recently while the rest of the world watched.

 

Because they're not all in Poland anymore doesn't help your point as I see it.

 

You apparently don't understand the Holocaust, because you seem to be unaware it took place almost exclusively in Continental Europe, where the population has never even come closed to recovering (about 9.5 million in 1933 to less than a million currently). Economically, don't get me started. The recovery of the Jewish population was outside of the area affected by the Holocaust (The US, and the Levant mainly).

 

These numbers include Britain, which obviously wasn't affected by the Holocaust obviously, but the numbers are clear. Hitler was very successful in removing Jews from Europe.

 

http://en.wikipedia....ion_comparisons

 

 

 

Now, shall we discuss the reparations the Dutch and the Jews received that black American descendants of slaves never did, or will you find a new shiny object to go chase in order to preserve your "black people don't value education" prejudice?



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:07 PM

The point was always that Jews faced a worse plight more recently than any minority in this country.

Your WWII lessons and opinions on the Jewish population in Poland, as fascinating as they are, aren't addressing the point being made over and over again.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:10 PM

If you have a kid who does not care about school...and you have a parent who does not value education....it does not matter what school you put them in. The results are going to be below average.

Whether people want to accept it or not, the solution ABSOLUTELY starts at home.


Oh I agree. If people don't want to take advantage no amount of education will help...

But there's a lot we could do as a nation to improve education.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:11 PM

So the Jews suffered something worse in Europe and never recovered. Gotcha.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:36 PM

The holocaust and slavery really aren't comparable at all.
 



#174 Delhommey

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:47 PM

They aren't at all except in the fact they were very effective.

The Holocaust was meant to remove Jews from Europe. American slavery was meant to subjugate numerically superior African prisoners to perform manual labor.

Both achieved their goal.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 07:57 PM

So the Jews suffered something worse in Europe and never recovered. Gotcha.


Quite possibly the opposite of everything I've said, but why start trying to make a salient point now.

Doesn't matter. I get it. Everyone in the history of Earth has had it easier than blacks born in the US in the last 30 years. That about wrap it up?

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:25 PM

The holocaust and slavery really aren't comparable at all.


Yeah the Holocaust was worse and more recent.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:47 PM

12 years of slavery/genocide vs 200 years of slavery/genocide.

 

 

 

Clearly the Jews had it worse.



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 08:57 PM

Yeah Jews only really had 12 years of persecution good point

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 09:09 PM

uhh are we seriously reduced to comparing holocaust versus slavery what the fug is wrong with you people.

 

reality: regardless of how one feels about "where the holocaust ranks", you can't compare slavery with the holocaust because about the only thing common there is "white people fuged a minority up pretty bad."

 

to drag the conversation back away from the abyss of terribleness, the idea that the Jewish people pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and embraced family values and/or education to overcome the devastation wrought upon them by the Nazis is also kind of a weird way to look at history, but hey, that's not really my field of study so I'm not sure what else I can say other than I kinda think it probably had more to do with the world (including other Jewish people) suddenly waking up and going "holy poo what the fug" and "yay homeland" but yeah.



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 09:34 PM

Yeah Jews only really had 12 years of persecution good point

Well you get to cherry pick for your utterly nonsensical point.

European Jews were completely decimated and never recovered. They went from being over 2% of the population to .18% just 100 years later. Yet that's what you use as an example about how FAMILY VALUES overcome all.

European Jews never recovered from the Holocaust. Systematic racism and genocide will do that, you see.