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I judge QBs by what I see. Stats and records can be deceiving.

What I see in Stafford is a guy whose ceiling is 'good' and who has the benefit of a superior receiver.

I don't think he'll ever be elite.

 

How can't you judge by what you see? You don't see a guy throwing for 5,000 yards back to back? Stats are the most objective way to measure productivity otherwise everyone will be seeing what they want to see, eg, they can claim Cam is a bum and ignore his awesome historical first two years (based on stats). That is a slippery slope you don't want to take.

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Then I don't think you have seen enough. Sorry to say that. But Mathew is everything you want your Franchise QB to be. He is the first to show up, and the last to leave. He has become a vocal leader, and he is the man in Detroit.

He has passed for almost 10,000 yards the last two seasons. Megatron only has 3800 of those yards. So evidently there are other guys doing good work as well.

I will admit that if the Lions had an actual running game those passing yards would diminish. But that does not take away from what he has accomplished the last few years.

He is absolutely a stud. He is one of the best young QBs out there. That screams elite to me. And I can live with that.

I have waited damm near a lifetime for the Lions to get a Franchise QB. And I am tickled pink to have Mathew.

Stafford had a great year in 2011 when he passed for 41 TDs and 16 Ints.  His passer rater was 97 which was a career high.  Last year he was pedestrian at best throwing 21 TDs and 17 Ints with a passer rating of  79.

 

Truth is he has 2 years where he has played every game and was very good in 1 of them.  The other three have been marred by injuries (first 2), inconsistent play, and poor decision making (last 1).

 

He has a 82 passer rating that would be in the 70s  if it weren't for his great 2011.  Same with TD/Int ratio, it would be pretty much even with the exception of 2011.  Stafford has had 1 stellar year and the rest has been meh.  I can see why folks don't think he is worth big money.  If Detroit didn't have a history of such poor quarterback play over the years, Stafford would be viewed much more critically.  As it is, long suffering fans like you are giddy you finally have someone who has been elite even if it was only 1 year out of 4.

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Ugh perpetually abysmal team fanbase refugees are cringe-inducing

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Stafford had a great year in 2011 when he passed for 41 TDs and 16 Ints.  His passer rater was 97 which was a career high.  Last year he was pedestrian at best throwing 21 TDs and 17 Ints with a passer rating of  79.

 

Truth is he has 2 years where he has played every game and was very good in 1 of them.  The other three have been marred by injuries (first 2), inconsistent play, and poor decision making (last 1).

 

He has a 82 passer rating that would be in the 70s  if it weren't for his great 2011.  Same with TD/Int ratio, it would be pretty much even with the exception of 2011.  Stafford has had 1 stellar year and the rest has been meh.  I can see why folks don't think he is worth big money.  If Detroit didn't have a history of such poor quarterback play over the years, Stafford would be viewed much more critically.  As it is, long suffering fans like you are giddy you finally have someone who has been elite even if it was only 1 year out of 4.

Said like a football fan that doesn't watch the team.

Not going to get into it. Just want you to know that you sound just like every other talking head that uses stats, and not actually knowledge, to judge a player. Almost like folks treat Cam.

But hellz. This is the interwebz.

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How can't you judge by what you see? You don't see a guy throwing for 5,000 yards back to back? Stats are the most objective way to measure productivity otherwise everyone will be seeing what they want to see, eg, they can claim Cam is a bum and ignore his awesome historical first two years (based on stats). That is a slippery slope you don't want to take.

 

Stats alone are an awful way to judge a player because the NFL, by and large, is not a sport where a player can go out and be a world beater on their own merits alone.  Stats can be artificially inflated / deflated by the abilities of the other units / players on the field with the player you're measuring.

 

If you watch someone play and have an objective bone in your body you'll be able to form a much better picture of what they're really like than you'd be able to by looking at box scores.  In this I'm with Mr Scot.  I would prefer to judge a player based on what I can see as a long time football fan with some knowledge of the game than by a series of numbers that don't tell you even a portion of the whole story.

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How can't you judge by what you see? You don't see a guy throwing for 5,000 yards back to back? Stats are the most objective way to measure productivity otherwise everyone will be seeing what they want to see, eg, they can claim Cam is a bum and ignore his awesome historical first two years (based on stats). That is a slippery slope you don't want to take.

 

Going by stats - like passing yards, for example - would tell you that last year, Tony Romo and Matt Ryan were better quarterbacks than Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers and (significantly) Cam Newton.  In fact, stats put Romo in the Brady/Brees range.  You wanna defend those ideas?

 

Or how about this?  Remember when we signed David Carr?  At that time, Carr had the best completion percentage in the league and pretty good yardage stats.  Why?  Because he played in a West Coast offense.  WCO attacks inflate passing stats.  That's why I'm automatically suspicious of QBs out of WCO systems (ask the Cardinals how that works).

 

Stats can be misleading.  The true "slippery slope" is thinking they tell the whole story. 

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Then I don't think you have seen enough. Sorry to say that. But Mathew is everything you want your Franchise QB to be. He is the first to show up, and the last to leave. He has become a vocal leader, and he is the man in Detroit.

He has passed for almost 10,000 yards the last two seasons. Megatron only has 3800 of those yards. So evidently there are other guys doing good work as well.

I will admit that if the Lions had an actual running game those passing yards would diminish. But that does not take away from what he has accomplished the last few years.

He is absolutely a stud. He is one of the best young QBs out there. That screams elite to me. And I can live with that.

I have waited damm near a lifetime for the Lions to get a Franchise QB. And I am tickled pink to have Mathew.

 

Sorry Hub.  I think Stafford is Fool's Gold.

 

Mind you, when I watched last year's Texans-Lions game on Thanksgiving, I thought Stafford looked better than Schaub.  But if I'm being honest, I think Schaub is overrated too.

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Stafford has one of the best arms in nfl history but aside from one year he hasn't shown the ability to use it effectively. If Stafford can ever master the whole consistency thing(you could say similar things about Cam) he could be an all time great qb.

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Ugh perpetually abysmal team fanbase refugees are cringe-inducing

I would hazard a guess that there are far more Panther fans that had a team before the Panthers, than there are of those only knowing the Panthers. So you are making a broad sweeping derogatory statement that insults almost every adult Panther fan.

But hey, at least you're consistent.

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Sorry Hub.  I think Stafford is Fool's Gold.

 

Mind you, when I watched last year's Texans-Lions game on Thanksgiving, I thought Stafford looked better than Schaub.  But if I'm being honest, I think Schaub is overrated too.

Not a big deal. Really. Unless you know the whole picture, it is easy to see what you want. Happens all the time. Fans that don't watch other teams a whole lot have their own notions of what that teams is. I know most folks don't watch the Lions. So I don't usually bring them up. It was just nice that this deal finally got done.

Lions fans may be long suffering. But they are a knowledgeable lot.

 

 

Stafford has one of the best arms in nfl history but aside from one year he hasn't shown the ability to use it effectively. If Stafford can ever master the whole consistency thing(you could say similar things about Cam) he could be an all time great qb.

It is a matter of trying to do too much. Coupled with a lack of talent, and no running game. It is a dangerous mixture. The future holds the truth. Because folks will use the past to judge and predict what they want to believe.

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Not a big deal. Really. Unless you know the whole picture, it is easy to see what you want. Happens all the time. Fans that don't watch other teams a whole lot have their own notions of what that teams is. I know most folks don't watch the Lions. So I don't usually bring them up. It was just nice that this deal finally got done.

Lions fans may be long suffering. But they are a knowledgeable lot.

It is a matter of trying to do too much. Coupled with a lack of talent, and no running game. It is a dangerous mixture. The future holds the truth. Because folks will use the past to judge and predict what they want to believe.

 

I'm not one to just watch Panther games.  Tend to watch at least three games a week, sometimes four, and catch highlights of the rest.  Helps give me better perspective.

 

Mind you, I'm not saying Stafford sucks.  I think he's good.  Just not that good.

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Said like a football fan that doesn't watch the team.

Not going to get into it. Just want you to know that you sound just like every other talking head that uses stats, and not actually knowledge, to judge a player. Almost like folks treat Cam.

But hellz. This is the interwebz.

I have watched Stafford play but surely not as much as you have as I am not a huge Detroit fan. Still I have watched enough to know that he has not been elite outside of 2011 by any standard. Stats don't always tell the whole story but other than your observations which are  much more subjective than any stat, what do you have to show the stats don't tell the tale??

 

Maybe the fact he threw multiple touchdown in only 5 games and had 0 TDs in 4 games.  Or that he only had 4 games where he didn't throw a Int. Instead of Cam  who improved and went 5-1 in  his last 6 games, Detroit finished the year losing the last 8.  During that streak he was very inconsistent playing very well against Minnesota and later on abysmal against a patsy in Arizona. 

Dont get me wrong, it wasn't all his fault and he started off great coming from behind to beat the Rams and a few weeks later scoring big 4th quarter points and an overtime field goal against Seattle.

 

In the losing streak the Lions gave up a number of 4th quarter leads to lose late. They  also failed to score points in the second half. Against Greenbay in  both games  they scored 10 points in the second half. Against Houston it was again 10 points and in 5 overtime possessions they managed one field goal attempt which hit the upright.  Then against Indy they once against scored 10 points. There seems to be a theme here.  In a number of close losses the defense might have given up big leads but the offense was also enemic.  Certainly not what you would expect of an elite quarterback.

 

Newton had better numbers and was supposedly in a slump. What does that make Stafford in? A slide,

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