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Hendo Gone?

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You're missing the point.  The point is, this team is TRYING to go to the playoffs, obviously, by the signing of Jefferson and the interest in Ellis.  Do I think with Henderson or Ellis this team could make the playoffs as a low seed?  Definitely.  If we don't make the playoffs does that mean we tanked on purpose?  No.  It's hard to tell what will happen in a season, or what injuries you'll sustain, etc.  The only thing we know is that we've dropped 13.5 a year on Jefferson, we're interested in Ellis, and nothing points to this team wanting to tank.  It's time for the tank fans to move on, it's not happening, at least not on purpose.  We're trying to put out a team that can win, obviously.

Monta Ellis plays better Defense, rebounds and passes better than Henderson
 
Monta Ellis:
Points per game: 19.2
Steals per game: 2.1
Blocks per game: .4
Assists per game: 6.0
Rebounds per game: 3.9
 
Gerald Henderson:
Points per game: 15.5
Steals per game: 1.0
Blocks per game: .5
Assists per game: 2.6
Rebounds per game: 3.7

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Monta Ellis plays better Defense, rebounds and passes better than Henderson
 
Monta Ellis:
Points per game: 19.2
Steals per game: 2.1
Blocks per game: .4
Assists per game: 6.0
Rebounds per game: 3.9
 
Gerald Henderson:
Points per game: 15.5
Steals per game: 1.0
Blocks per game: .5
Assists per game: 2.6
Rebounds per game: 3.7

 

 

Idk about better defense. Those are subjective stats really. While I applaud that he has more steals I feel that there must be more indicative stats out there to prove Hendo is a better overall defender. I could be wrong but I am curious as to how many points each allows on any given night. Shooting % of the opposing player when guarded by each respectively.

 

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Is there any real timeline around all of this?  What is the FA window?  Does a QA sit on the table for a certain period of time and then expire or something?

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Im up in the air about Henderson.  I think hes a very good player and like someone else said on here, a top 10 SG in this league.  He can defend the 2 or the 3, is very athletic, very good mid range game and is improving from the 3 pt line.  Their is just something about him though that makes me lean towards Monta Ellis. 

 

Maybe its just Ellis.  Can he and Kemba co-exist?  Id love to find out.  I watched the Heat struggle against Ellis and I highly doubt the Bucks would have taken down the Heat if Jennings was on his game too, but with Ellis, we would have a LEGIT offensive team.  With MKG on the wing and Biyombo down low, we have guys that can shut down opposing teams best players, or contain them I should say.

 

We would be a better team with Ellis IMO.  Win a title?  Not this season, but if Kemba and Ellis co-exist along with our inside game, draft picks next season and we are smart about the money coming off the books, who knows...

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Idk about better defense. Those are subjective stats really. While I applaud that he has more steals I feel that there must be more indicative stats out there to prove Hendo is a better overall defender. I could be wrong but I am curious as to how many points each allows on any given night. Shooting % of the opposing player when guarded by each respectively.

 

 

So the stats that everyone uses to evaluate a player are subjective.....and you feel there must be more indicative stats out there to prove your opinion.  Yet, you don't know what they are or where to find them.

 

Gotcha.

 

Basically you think Hendo is a better defender.....just because.

 

Interesting

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So the stats that everyone uses to evaluate a player are subjective.....and you feel there must be more indicative stats out there to prove your opinion.  Yet, you don't know what they are or where to find them.

 

Gotcha.

 

Basically you think Hendo is a better defender.....just because.

 

Interesting

 

Well meow! No need to get upset. I am saying that steals are not the only indicator of a skilled defender. I don't know where to find them and quite frankly don't really care that much to research it. I would be interested, however, to see those statistics if they were provided for me.

 

That is all.

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if we are going to lose him, might as well get something for him. though I'd much rather have Hendo than Monta 

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I keep seeing top 10 SG in the league.. but lets take sometime here to rank and to see if that is true...

 

Kobe Bryant

James Harden

Dwayne Wade

Paul George

Monta Ellis

Jamal Crawford

Andre Iguodala

Eric Gordon

Joe Johnson

JR Smith

DeMar DeRozan

OJ Mayo

Tyreke Evans

Iman Shumpert

Manu Ginobili

 

where does Hendo fit on that list exactly...?

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I keep seeing top 10 SG in the league.. but lets take sometime here to rank and to see if that is true...

 

Kobe Bryant

James Harden

Dwayne Wade

Paul George

Monta Ellis

Jamal Crawford

Andre Iguodala

Eric Gordon

Joe Johnson

JR Smith

DeMar DeRozan

OJ Mayo

Tyreke Evans

Iman Shumpert

Manu Ginobili

 

where does Hendo fit on that list exactly...?

 

Based on advanced statistics... he is better than Ellis, Crawford, Iguodala, Mayo, Evans, Shumpert, and Ginobli.

 

Paul George is is a small forward...

 

If I was to put them in groups...

 

Elite: Kobe Bryant, James Harden, Joe Johnson, Dwayne Wade

Next Level: DeMar DeRozan, Gerald Henderson, J.R. Smith, Eric Gordon

Very Good (Potential To Be Next Level): Tyreke Evans, Iman Shumpert, O.J. Mayo, Monta Ellis

On The Decline: Jamal Crawford, Manu Ginobli, Andre Iguodala

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Man this just proves how weak the 2 guard is in the NBA nowadays. Here's my opinion (I took out Paul George as I believe that Indy will move Granger and allow George to play 3 and start or upgrade Stephenson)

 

16. OJ Mayo (Potential..but little defense and crazy shots make him seem like a headcase)

15. Eric Gordon (High ceiling again but I'd like to see him play even 1/2 of a season)

14. Tyreke Evans (Lack of a jumpshot and low FT % kills him...teams have learned how to defend him)

13. Lance Stephenson (Lot of potential after a high showing in the playoffs..he could end up a good player)

12. Iman Shumpert (Needs a more well rounded game...too much of a short burst slasher to be a consistent starter)

11. DeMar DeRozan (Once again..needs a consistent jump shot to crack the top 10 but he draws a lot of fouls and plays good defense)

10. Jamal Crawford (Getting up there in age but still can get it done off the bench)

9. Gerald Henderson (In my opinion very well rounded, jack of all trades..needs to become great at something instead of being just above average at everything to become a star. Not worth an 8+ mil contract at this time IMO)

8. JR Smith (I'd definitely bring him off the bench, but man is he an exciting player. He's any team's dream 6th man but he's a liability when he plays for 35+ minutes because of bad decisions on both sides of the ball)

7. Monta Ellis (Jumpshot can hurt his team at times because he isn't afraid to shoot and misses a lot, but he's still just about unstoppable on the drive. He makes some pretty spectacular plays)

6. Joe Johnson (Many people see him as overpaid and underperforming, but he's a great player. Clutch shooter, patient and smart on offense, and can defend any 2 guard even at his huge size. However he can't take over a game like he used to, wouldn't call him a star)

5. Andre Iguodala (I see Iggy as Hendo's ceiling but with a higher PPG avg. Another jack of all trades that any team would love to have at the right price. Not a star that will win games for you by putting points up, but he never necessarily LOSES a game for his team)

4. Manu Ginobli (We saw his age in the playoffs and finals this year, but still a fantastic player on the drive, shooting the ball, and on defense. He's a prototypical 2 guard and still one of the best in the league)

3. Kobe Bryant (After the achilles, we may never see the same Kobe again, but he still will probably show us next season flashes of his old self. Even a broken down Kobe is a star among stars and he's proved that for years playing through injuries)

2. Dwayne Wade (The only reason I put D-Wade at 2 is because I think his body is breaking down little by little, but there's little explination necessary on why he's in the top 2. He's conquered the best 3 times over in his career)

1. James Harden (Right now, I think that Harden proved he's the best 2 guard in the league by taking a Houston team that's low on talent to a 7 seed and competed with OKC in the first round. There is not a single glaring weakness in Harden's game. Superb defender, quality shooter, and he's scary driving the lane he'll either draw a foul or convert more than half of the time)

 

EDIT: And I also think that Brad Beal and Dion Waiters will end up high on this list in a couple years time...but I'm not sure either of them are better than OJ Mayo at this time.

 

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