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Hendo Gone?

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I never discounted Monta Ellis once, I didn't take credit away from anyone. In fact, what did I say? I said, it doesn't necessarily mean that these players are bad. Tell me where I even mentioned Monta Ellis. What happens when we ASS U ME?

I also never said Milwaukee was a clusterfug compared to anyone. I never said Milwaukee's situation was worse than anyone else's. I simply stated that they were a clusterfug. And they were. Injuries played a part in that, so I'm going to talk about injuries.

Of course Charlotte's situation is worse. But that also has no prevelance to what I said. What I said was that Milwaukee was a clusterfug.

Don't put words in my mouth.

I also don't think Kemba Walker's game varies too far from Brandon Jenning's game as both of them are score first players. Adding a combo guard without a jumpshot to a scoring point guard with a below average jumpshot is a bad combonation. Therefore signing Ellis would, in my opinion, continue your notion of Charlotte being what? A clusterfug.

You quoted a post that wasn't directed toward you, and obviously didn't read the post I was responding to. If you would have, that post would have made more sense.

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You quoted a post that wasn't directed toward you, and obviously didn't read the post I was responding to. If you would have, that post would have made more sense.

 

I only responded to the last little paragraph, which I assumed was directed toward me because I was the one who originally called Milwaukee a clusterfug on the last page.

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Nah, I was talking to ItsPantone (I think that's his name).

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MJ and Co. are going to get ridiculed for passing on Ben McLemore if they don't get another shooting guard back in a trade for Henderson.

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How many of you actually look at the stats instead of just  youtube?

 

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/2751/monta-ellis

 

 

A person avg. 19.4 points while shooting it 16.4 times. He shot 287. from 3pt range and he pretty much Destroys every PG relationship he plays with.

 

Now you want to bring him here where Kemba's is establishing himself as leader of this team.

 

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Seriously for a team who needs more 3 point shooters you want a guy who shoots 287% from 3's.

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Nah, I was talking to ItsPantone (I think that's his name).

 

 

Look at the Bucks roster, the head coach at the time, and the moves made through out the season in the line up.  You will understand what I mean by cluster fug.  We aren't a cluster fug because we are actually building a balanced team for the most part, and our young core is getting minutes and learning roles.  The Bucks made the 8th seed last year and are pretty much starting from scratch this year while we return our young core with possibly the exception of Henderson.  Then they go sign Zaza which makes no sense when you look at the roster.

 

I still don't understand how you got my post about Ellis so wrong.  I simply stated that Henderson's being rated higher than Ellis in one season does not make him a better or more productive player.  And that is in my opinion.  Ellis may have scored 19 ppg last year but he has seen multiple seasons where he averaged 20+ and the guy can play the whole game, every game.  Is he the best fit?  maybe not, is he as good if not better than Hendo?  That is easily debated.

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Man this just proves how weak the 2 guard is in the NBA nowadays. Here's my opinion (I took out Paul George as I believe that Indy will move Granger and allow George to play 3 and start or upgrade Stephenson)

16. OJ Mayo (Potential..but little defense and crazy shots make him seem like a headcase)

15. Eric Gordon (High ceiling again but I'd like to see him play even 1/2 of a season)

14. Tyreke Evans (Lack of a jumpshot and low FT % kills him...teams have learned how to defend him)

13. Lance Stephenson (Lot of potential after a high showing in the playoffs..he could end up a good player)

12. Iman Shumpert (Needs a more well rounded game...too much of a short burst slasher to be a consistent starter)

11. DeMar DeRozan (Once again..needs a consistent jump shot to crack the top 10 but he draws a lot of fouls and plays good defense)

10. Jamal Crawford (Getting up there in age but still can get it done off the bench)

9. Gerald Henderson (In my opinion very well rounded, jack of all trades..needs to become great at something instead of being just above average at everything to become a star. Not worth an 8+ mil contract at this time IMO)

8. JR Smith (I'd definitely bring him off the bench, but man is he an exciting player. He's any team's dream 6th man but he's a liability when he plays for 35+ minutes because of bad decisions on both sides of the ball)

7. Monta Ellis (Jumpshot can hurt his team at times because he isn't afraid to shoot and misses a lot, but he's still just about unstoppable on the drive. He makes some pretty spectacular plays)

6. Joe Johnson (Many people see him as overpaid and underperforming, but he's a great player. Clutch shooter, patient and smart on offense, and can defend any 2 guard even at his huge size. However he can't take over a game like he used to, wouldn't call him a star)

5. Andre Iguodala (I see Iggy as Hendo's ceiling but with a higher PPG avg. Another jack of all trades that any team would love to have at the right price. Not a star that will win games for you by putting points up, but he never necessarily LOSES a game for his team)

4. Manu Ginobli (We saw his age in the playoffs and finals this year, but still a fantastic player on the drive, shooting the ball, and on defense. He's a prototypical 2 guard and still one of the best in the league)

3. Kobe Bryant (After the achilles, we may never see the same Kobe again, but he still will probably show us next season flashes of his old self. Even a broken down Kobe is a star among stars and he's proved that for years playing through injuries)

2. Dwayne Wade (The only reason I put D-Wade at 2 is because I think his body is breaking down little by little, but there's little explination necessary on why he's in the top 2. He's conquered the best 3 times over in his career)

1. James Harden (Right now, I think that Harden proved he's the best 2 guard in the league by taking a Houston team that's low on talent to a 7 seed and competed with OKC in the first round. There is not a single glaring weakness in Harden's game. Superb defender, quality shooter, and he's scary driving the lane he'll either draw a foul or convert more than half of the time)

EDIT: And I also think that Brad Beal and Dion Waiters will end up high on this list in a couple years time...but I'm not sure either of them are better than OJ Mayo at this time.

Forget what the stats says. Hendo is def not no9. Not infront of Crawford. Not infront of Lance. Not infront of Gordon, etc. He's behind Mayo and will be behind Beal in a year or two. I'm sorry.

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@ItsPantone (sorry, forgot to quote)

Once again, you are comparing a nine year career to a four year career. That simply can't be done.

Based on the past two years when they both have played similar minutes... Henderson has been the more productive player.

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Henderson is better than Mayo... How can that be argued? Henderson averaged 15.5 points on 12.6 shots per game and Mayo averaged 15.3 points on 12.5 shots per game (dead even on offense).

Where Hederson shows he is the better overall player is on defense.

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This is just negotiations. Hendo will be back and Ellis fans can KYS.

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Cut the defense argument out. Mayo is a much better overall SG than Hendo, healthy or not. I hate looking at stats. Stats don't lie but it never tell the whole story. Mayo is a starting caliber player in this league. Hendo is a role player. Hendo will only be ranked that high by Cats' fans.

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