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Am I the only Panther fan that would sign Hakeem Nicks over Hardy?


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#61 JawnyBlaze

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:22 PM

To me, premier means that they're one of the best in the league at what they do. Hardy is good, no doubt about that. Last year he was top 15 in sacks, not top 5.

 

Sacks aren't the only thing a DE does.  The most important, but not the only.  If you were to factor in QB pressures, run stops, TFL, forced fumbles I bet he'd be a top 10.  Haven't crunched any numbers myself, but a number of the guys who had more sacks than him were strictly pass rushers, not the total package.

 

Plus, how many ahead of him in the sack list were 3-4 players? 

 

edit:  I just looked it up, only six 4-3 DEs had more sacks than Hardy, and one of them was CJ who had the most of them all.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:28 PM

Where is this assumption that Alexander can replace Hardy coming from? Alexander looked like he could develop into something last year, but his rookie year <<< Hardy's rookie year. Judging off of both stats and the eyeball test.

We have an option at WR: the draft.

DE is so much more important than WR this shouldn't even be up for debate.


DE is so much more important than WR?

Not if you have a good defensive front as is....and zero WRs. WR would be more important

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:33 PM

People claiming Frank Alexander can simply replace Greg Hardy clearly do not understand the Krakens versatility and value to the team. Perhaps even the DE position.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:41 PM

People claiming Frank Alexander can simply replace Greg Hardy clearly do not understand the Krakens versatility and value to the team. Perhaps even the DE position.


he isn't a versatile. But if we solve our hole at DT....more of a pure DE would be fine

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 10:07 PM

he isn't a versatile. But if we solve our hole at DT....more of a pure DE would be fine


Hardy gives so much help to the DL, even allowing CJ to face RTs... I value that quite a bit and don't think Alexander is as easy to replace Hardy as some fans seem to believe.

He also needs to prove he's even decent in stopping the run.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 10:37 PM

Everyone on here and other Panther sites alike all want to us to pay big money and lock up Hardy for the long term. This whole situation is Jonathan Stewart 2.0. Back before we signed Stewart, everyone was itching for the news that we locked him up, when we did lock him up, all the Panther fans jumped up for joy and all problems solved and Hurney was looked upon like a god.

Fast forward to now and its a well known joke amongst Panther fans that we have all this money tied up in the RB position and the same Panther fans that rejoiced when we signed Stewie are the same Panther fans that called for Hurney's head and continue to bash all the money we have tied up in the RB position now.

BTW, just for the record. I was against extending Stewie then and I got ridiculed for it and I was in the minority. Well here we are now. Same exact situation. We have a ton of money tied up in one DE already (Charles Johnson) we have a promising up and coming Frank Alexander, we re signed our 6 sack DT in DWAN and oh BTW we drafted two DTs in the first two rounds of the draft. Meanwhile, we have one of the best young QBs in the league with only a 34 year old stud WR to show for it and HUGE question marks at WR beyond that.

Which brings me to Hakeem Nicks. Nicks is still young, a consistent, number 1 WR who is proven and would be an immense upgrade to our offense and WR corps. We are stacked at defense, quite possibly the best LB corps in the league, a stout and deep D line. What we dont have is another legit WR aside from Smitty that can be the future weapon for Cam for years to come.

Surely I cant be the only Panther fan that sees this as the same exact situation we where in last season before we signed Stewie. Havent we learned by now not to tie up all your money in a position you are already deep at when you have glaring needs elsewhere? Panther fans should know this more than anyone.

And let me just go on the record and state this has nothing to do with Hardy. No doubt he is one of the top 4-3 ends in the league and love his personality on the field. This has to do with our current situation as a team. Im not a Hardy hater by any stretch, a fantastic DE, I just think we have glaring need at WR.

I honestly haven't gotten past your first paragraph. ..yet.

What does having two highly talented defensive ends have to do with two highly talented rbs?

Ya need more than one highly talented defesive ends. It's not a luxury like two good rbs.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 10:58 PM

Rather draft a young gun and keep hardy, pass rushers, PROVEN pass rushers, are hard to come by.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:08 PM

You are not alone. They're homers they want anybody that has a decent season to stay in a panthers uniform. They tend to overvalue players a lot here.

versus guys who want anybody who's had one decent season as another teams player? Lol

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:10 PM

Honestly, the OP was better off suggesting a three way trade tgat involves nicks and johnson.

Less likely to happen, but a better scenario.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:12 PM

I've read the furst page, and i'm done with thus thread.

Thank god the off season is almost over.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:23 PM

I'd love to bring Nicks home but we need the Kracken on the team. He's fuging crazy and we need that



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:41 PM

I'm on the Hakeem Nicks to Carolina bandwagon, but if I had to choose between Hardy/Nicks give me Hardy. Hardy is a beast and will only get better, Nicks can get better also but he has injury issues.

 

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:02 AM

The #1 job of a DE is to keep containment, not to get sacks, which by the way was Hardy's biggest weakness in '11, and also what he most improved on in '12.

 

There's no question, i'd keep Hardy over signing Nicks.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 05:39 AM

How many WRs change teams and really excel?  Moss did for NE but that only lasted one season.  I love Hicks.  I wanted him when he came out of Carolina. 

 

Keep Kraken and focus the future on 2014 draft.  Word is, it is supposed to be much more healthy than 2013.  I think 1st and 2nd round are WR and OT.  But that is a whole new topic.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 05:48 AM

Hardy gives so much help to the DL, even allowing CJ to face RTs... I value that quite a bit and don't think Alexander is as easy to replace Hardy as some fans seem to believe.

He also needs to prove he's even decent in stopping the run.

Alexander could potentially replace him...may not. If we have a strong front 7 and Alexander still improves we don't need to overpay Hardy like we did CJ.....we won't be as desperate.

I am not suggesting Nicks over Hardy. I would take a non injury prone #1 WR over him if a very reasonable deal can't be made with Hardy


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