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I will never forgive Ron Rivera for two things.


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#31 panthers55

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 07:31 AM

I don't see how Atlanta part 1 or Seattle are Rons fault at all. If Newton doesn't fumble we win. If Nakamura makes the routine play we win. He opted to kick and put them at the 1. Who figures they go 70 yards in 45 seconds. He called the right play against Seattle. Give Newton 50 chances and he makes rthat throw 49 times. Players not executing isn't his fault. He gave the players a chance to win and called fine plays. The players didn't execute plain and simple.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 07:55 AM

I feel that he doesn't let our players have the fun they want, that he limits them. Like he was yelling at Greg for telling the Falcants to get the fug off our field. Like really Ron? Payback is a bitch and he was excited we got the win. Let him sound off. 

 

I hate the fact, that every time the Panthers get an early 2 TD or more lead, Ron immediately takes the air out the ball on offense--no matter how early (as if the games is over in today's high scoring NFL); loses aggression on defense, till the opposition eventually catches up, and the Panthers lose/or almost lose the game. 

 

He's made some terrible blunders as head coach (as is being written here). And I do understand he's a defensive coach. I do. But for me; that is one of his most undeniably frustrating traits and habits, he has to break, to be a successful coach in the NFL, and for the Panthers. 



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 08:05 AM

I don't see how Atlanta part 1 or Seattle are Rons fault at all. If Newton doesn't fumble we win. If Nakamura makes the routine play we win. He opted to kick and put them at the 1. Who figures they go 70 yards in 45 seconds. He called the right play against Seattle. Give Newton 50 chances and he makes rthat throw 49 times. Players not executing isn't his fault. He gave the players a chance to win and called fine plays. The players didn't execute plain and simple.

ya shouldn't even attempt to bring common sense to the poo that is this thread.

A for effort, though!

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 08:09 AM

I can forgive Rivera for being a novice head coach, as long as he starts trusting the players and stops making silly mistakes.

 

If his game management doesn't improve, I'll be the first one in line saying fire him.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 08:12 AM

I'm so sick of hearing the Cam fumble thing like that game was his fault. People forget that he fumble because he stretched for the first down if he would have went conservative and protected the ball more it would have been 4th down anyway. You fugers act like he turned it over. You get a helmet on the ball and its coming out period.

I'm not mad at Rivera for punting but I don't know if it was coverage or what but I know Josh Norman let Roddy White get behind him and he didn't have any underneath routes to cover.

You put almost any other cb in the league in that spot and we win the game. Naku should have never even been in a position to have to try to make such a horrible play on the ball if Norman was even in the same area code.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 08:13 AM

I hate the fact, that every time the Panthers get an early 2 TD or more lead, Ron immediately takes the air out the ball on offense--no matter how early (as if the games is over in today's high scoring NFL); loses aggression on defense, till the opposition eventually catches up, and the Panthers lose/or almost lose the game. 

 

He's made some terrible blunders as head coach (as is being written here). And I do understand he's a defensive coach. I do. But for me; that is one of his most undeniably frustrating traits and habits, he has to break, to be a successful coach in the NFL, and for the Panthers. 

Most coaches do the exact same thing.  Standard logic is when you have a big lead you protect it by keeping things in front of you and don't take unnecessary chances. I am not a big fan of the prevent defense but if you look at the statistics, it works more than it doesn't. We used that strategy against Atlanta part 2 for example and it worked.

 

Look at what Detroit's head coach, Schwartz, did last year and it makes Rivera look like a genius.  I don't see people calling for his head all the time.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 08:14 AM

Rivera is on the verge of having a top 5 defense after finally investing on the D line for the first time.

After 2010 anything resembling football is incredible to me..Rivera exceeds that and gets way to villified for "after the fact" in game decisons that were not executed by Cam.

The Seahawks was Cam missing a basic pass. Shovel pass Or whatever...

Atl was Cam fumbling on a 3rd and 1..the game would be iced otherwards. If it was stopped on 4th and 1 more fans would have been freaking out than the punt..that was executed perfectly.

But hey..you are at home making and second guessing playcalling throughout the game the whole time..so maybe the plays should be sent in via fanbase vote.

What other coach is out there that get you nipples hard? Rivera is an elite defensive coach, perfect jo..but is he willing to adjust and learn?! More than any coach we ever had.

 

Note sure, why you decided to bring Cam up in this (or make it  a Cam vs Rivera post), when Rivera's has made a whole lot more blunders to lose the games the past two seasons, than Cam. Just saying. 

 

Plus, nobody told Rivera not to go for it on 4th down in Atlanta, when the Panthers retained possession (you act like they lost the ball or something), and to play such soft defense later, when Atlanta slogged it 80 yards, with 0 TO's, with 50+ secs left, for a win vs the Panthers. SMH



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 08:15 AM

Most coaches do the exact same thing.  Standard logic is when you have a big lead you protect it by keeping things in front of you and don't take unnecessary chances. I am not a big fan of the prevent defense but if you look at the statistics, it works more than it doesn't. We used that strategy against Atlanta part 2 for example and it worked.

 

Look at what Detroit's head coach, Schwartz, did last year and it makes Rivera look like a genius.  I don't see people calling for his head all the time.

 

Because he's had a winning, surprising season. Rivera not. 



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 08:20 AM

Seriously im happy i don't know any of you in person

Especially SuperJ, I just shake my head and think "out of millions of sperm he was the one that made it" every time I read one of his posts.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 08:24 AM

I'm so sick of hearing the Cam fumble thing like that game was his fault. People forget that he fumble because he stretched for the first down if he would have went conservative and protected the ball more it would have been 4th down anyway. You fugers act like he turned it over. You get a helmet on the ball and its coming out period.

I'm not mad at Rivera for punting but I don't know if it was coverage or what but I know Josh Norman let Roddy White get behind him and he didn't have any underneath routes to cover.

You put almost any other cb in the league in that spot and we win the game. Naku should have never even been in a position to have to try to make such a horrible play on the ball if Norman was even in the same area code.

From what I saw, he didn't stretch to get the first down, he already had the first down.  Then he turned around without looking first which every running back knows it a mistake and the ball was knocked backwards out of his hands.  If he had just gone down instead of trying to get even more it was a first down and game is over.

Agree that the punt was not a bad call and frankly it was executed almost perfectly.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 08:35 AM

Note sure, why you decided to bring Cam up in this (or make it  a Cam vs Rivera post), when Rivera's has made a whole lot more blunders to lose the games the past two seasons, than Cam. Just saying. 

 

Plus, nobody told Rivera not to go for it on 4th down in Atlanta, when the Panthers retained possession (you act like they lost the ball or something), and to play such soft defense later, when Atlanta when 80 yards, with 0 TO's, and 50+ secs, for a win vs the Panthers. SMH

Look I am a huge Newton fan lobbying for him all along, i have his jersey etc.  But to say the coach had more mistakes to lose games than Newton is just illogical.  How many interceptions has Newton had in the past 2 years?  How many fumbles?  Each error a quarterback makes can lose the game.  He also has the chance to come back and win with a great play.  Unfortunately he hasn't really done that as often as I would like the past 2 years.   But any realist knows that players and quarterbacks in particular are usually very responsible for whether we win or lose both positively or negatively.  Is it all their fault?  No you lose or win as a team.  But it takes little effort to document that more of the losses we have had in the last 2 years were due to errors that newton and all quarterbacks make versus ones that Rivera made.  With that said, unless Newton threw the ball up in the air or into the ground, there were also receivers that didn't catch it either so the blame is shared.  Like Smitty falling down on the pick 6 versus Chicago.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 08:37 AM

Look I am a huge Newton fan lobbying for him all along, i have his jersey etc.  But to say the coach had more mistakes to lose games than Newton is just illogical.  How many interceptions has Newton had in the past 2 years?  How many fumbles?  Each error a quarterback makes can lose the game.  He also has the chance to come back and win with a great play.  Unfortunately he hasn't really done that as often as I would like the past 2 years.   But any realist knows that players and quarterbacks in particular are usually very responsible for whether we win or lose both positively or negatively.  Is it all their fault?  No you lose or win as a team.  But it takes little effort to document that more of the losses we have had in the last 2 years were due to errors that newton and all quarterbacks make versus ones that Rivera made.  With that said, unless Newton threw the ball up in the air or into the ground, there were also receivers that didn't catch it either so the blame is shared.  Like Smitty falling down on the pick 6 versus Chicago.

In Chicago we came back from that, it was Rivera soft coverage poo that lost the game. THEY RAN THE SAME PLAY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. Down the field.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 08:38 AM

people act like Rivera should be perfect.

 

All coaches, rookie or not, make mistakes. Jim and John Harbaugh are not perfect, the Emperor is not perfect. Coaches have to put the players in the best situation to win. Which Rivera did more often than not. 

 

I would suggest reading that article somebody else posted here recently. It kind of explains the late defeats we had based on our defensive handicaps.  Rivera is a good coach, but I wish he would be a little better about the "excuses" he says to the media.

 

Some people don't get how great of a coach Rivera is because they don't see the details.

 

http://bleacherrepor...rolina-panthers

 

I know it's bleacher report but it is actually a great article. or maybe it's cat scratch reader i dunno, but read it.

 



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 08:42 AM

In Chicago we came back from that, it was Rivera soft coverage poo that lost the game. THEY RAN THE SAME PLAY FOR CRYING OUT LOUD. Down the field.

Do we know that Rivera called the coverage or did McDermott or Wilkes for that matter?  Did any of them tell Norman to play soft or did Norman do that on his own? Given he was pulled shortly thereafter, I would guess Norman didn't do his job correctly.  

 

Why it is instantly Ron's fault when it likely was shared by a number of other guys on the field and in the coaching staff.  Sure he is the head coach but I promise you he didn't tell Norman to let the bears go down the field and kick the field goal.  



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 08:46 AM

Do we know that Rivera called the coverage or did McDermott or Wilkes for that matter?  Did any of them tell Norman to play soft or did Norman do that on his own? Given he was pulled shortly thereafter, I would guess Norman didn't do his job correctly.  

 

Why it is instantly Ron's fault when it likely was shared by a number of other guys on the field and in the coaching staff.  Sure he is the head coach but I promise you he didn't tell Norman to let the bears go down the field and kick the field goal.  

He said in an interview after the game that he called the soft coverage.




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