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#16 teeray

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 09:35 PM

How easy do you repubs think it is to get an ID in Hyde County and Washington County where they don't have DMV offices?  Especially for the poor and elderly?



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 09:38 PM

So yes you agree with the spending on something that isn't really an issue?  That is cool, just never talk about frivolous spending again. 

 

It is pretty simple.  If you support this, don't ever talk about frivolous spending issues again, if you don't support it I admire you for sticking to your beliefs as a conservative.

 

You didn't answer my question. 

 

I don't see how guaranteeing one person=one legal vote is something that should be described as frivolous.  There are some cost savings here as well.  Reducing the early voting by a week.  More controls on registrations so that less personnel are needed.  Eliminating same-day voter registration.  Removing pre-registration persons from going to high schools. 

 

So I don't simply accept the premise of your argument.  Sorry.



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 09:39 PM

How easy do you repubs think it is to get an ID in Hyde County and Washington County where they don't have DMV offices?  Especially for the poor and elderly?

 

No social services rep assigned?  Think.



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 09:43 PM

You didn't answer my question. 

 

I don't see how guaranteeing one person=one legal vote is something that should be described as frivolous.  There are some cost savings here as well.  Reducing the early voting by a week.  More controls on registrations so that less personnel are needed.  Eliminating same-day voter registration.  Removing pre-registration persons from going to high schools. 

 

So I don't simply accept the premise of your argument.  Sorry.

 

The spending is in the budget they just passed so you better hurry up and tell them it isn't actually going to cost that much.



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 09:45 PM

The spending is in the budget they just passed so you better hurry up and tell them it isn't actually going to cost that much.

 

I know...TENS OF MILLIONS!!!!



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 09:47 PM

Oh, and my vote should be worth the same as minorities and less fortunate people.  Unfortunately, that will no longer be the case. 

 

Quit defending this as a validation of legal voting.  SEVERAL key republicans have flat out said both privately and publicly that this is about suppressing voter turnout.  Specifically Democratics voters turnout.

 

The mental gymnastics you are having to go through to justify disenfranchising 600,000 voters is laughable.



#22 Zaximus

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 09:52 PM

Republicans are all for spending if it was voted and passed by their party.

 

They are obviously more concerned at spending money to ensure "one person=one vote" than wanting universal healthcare to succeed.  Typical.   The real reason this passed is clear as day and you just have to look at who it affects.  There is just no defending that.



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 09:56 PM

I know...TENS OF MILLIONS!!!!

 

I know it seems small, but food stamps (you know the thing that helps feed people) is just 1.5% of the federal budget, yet it causes you guys to lose your fugging minds.

 

Again, if you support the bill, don't talk about careless spending, if you don't kudos for you to sticking to your conservatism.



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 09:58 PM

Oh, and my vote should be worth the same as minorities and less fortunate people.  Unfortunately, that will no longer be the case. 

 

Quit defending this as a validation of legal voting.  SEVERAL key republicans have flat out said both privately and publicly that this is about suppressing voter turnout.  Specifically Democratics voters turnout.

 

The mental gymnastics you are having to go through to justify disenfranchising 600,000 voters is laughable.

 

Georgia and Indiana had similar laws in place prior to the 2012 elections.  I didn't hear much gnashing of teeth about it. 

 

600,000 LESS VOTERS!!!  TENS OF MILLIONS!!!  WORST VOTER SUPPRESSION LAWS OUR NATION HAS EVER SEEEEEEENNNNN!!!!

 

In case you haven't noticed, I'm making fun of you guys and your Chicken Little comments regarding how this is going to be the end of democracy as we know it. 



#25 g5jamz

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 09:59 PM

Republicans are all for spending if it was voted and passed by their party.

 

They are obviously more concerned at spending money to ensure "one person=one vote" than wanting universal healthcare to succeed.  Typical.   The real reason this passed is clear as day and you just have to look at who it affects.  There is just no defending that.

 

Pretty sure it affects everyone, but if you're speaking to certain demographics that happen to not have ID.  Have you taken the time to study what's accepted as ID and what the state will do to provide it?



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:03 PM

Pretty sure it affects everyone, but if you're speaking to certain demographics that happen to not have ID.  Have you taken the time to study what's accepted as ID and what the state will do to provide it?

 

Cutting early voting time directly affects democratic voters.  The numbers are out there, go look.  Democrats take vast advantage of early voting.   And obviously minorities would be the large group that doesn't have IDs, and we know who they vote for.  Don't be so dense.  Maybe people would have some respect for you if you'd at least call it like it is and admit this is purely to make it harder on democratic voters.  

 

And btw, there shouldn't be a limit to the voting process.  You are probably talking about the single greatest thing we ever did as a country, one of the best freedoms in the world, you spend whatever you have to to ensure everyone gets to vote.  It's one of those things that is you know, kind of important.  Like healthcare and education, both that seem to be on the bottom of the radar of a certain party.



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:04 PM

Georgia and Indiana had similar laws in place prior to the 2012 elections.  I didn't hear much gnashing of teeth about it. 

 

600,000 LESS VOTERS!!!  TENS OF MILLIONS!!!  WORST VOTER SUPPRESSION LAWS OUR NATION HAS EVER SEEEEEEENNNNN!!!!

 

In case you haven't noticed, I'm making fun of you guys and your Chicken Little comments regarding how this is going to be the end of democracy as we know it. 

 

You realize the 600,000 registered voters is 9% of all voters right?  That 600,000 number didn't come out of thin air that came from the NC Board of Elections

 

Probably is a joke to you though because it doesn't pertain to you.



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:06 PM

as of this moment, how many registered voters out there do NOT have any form of adequate ID?



#29 Zaximus

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:07 PM

Let's also see.

 

  • Barring young adults from pre-registering as 16- and 17-year-olds, which is permitted by current law, and repealing a state directive that high schools conduct voter registration drives in order to boost turnout among young voters.

 

Young people tend to lean democrat I believe.  We can't have THEM interested in the voting process and understanding how to go about this.

 

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Only permitting citizens to vote in their specific precinct, rather than casting a ballot in any nearby ward or election district. This can lead to widespread confusion, particularly in urban areas where many precincts can often be housed in the same building. 

 

Hm, who usually lives in urban areas?  Minorities.  What party do they usually vote for?  What locations in NC usually learn democrat (cities and the urban areas in those cities).

 



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:07 PM

I know it seems small, but food stamps (you know the thing that helps feed people) is just 1.5% of the federal budget, yet it causes you guys to lose your fugging minds.

 

Again, if you support the bill, don't talk about careless spending, if you don't kudos for you to sticking to your conservatism.

 

Food stamps?  No.  What causes people to lose their fugging minds are when food stamps are used and the food put into barrels and sent to the Carribbean.  When EBT cards are used in casinos and strip clubs and used to buy things other than food for their family. 

 

What drives people crazy is fraud.  Whether that's with food stamps, welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Disability, IRS (ITINs)...the issue is fraud.  I'm all for providing food to people that truly need it.  Just like I'm all for providing the ability to anyone that wants to vote to vote...legally. 




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