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#31 teeray

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:09 PM

Pretty sure it affects everyone, but if you're speaking to certain demographics that happen to not have ID.  Have you taken the time to study what's accepted as ID and what the state will do to provide it?

 

Wait?  So now you trust in the State government to run to run efficient program to accommodate all these people?

 

You liberal ninny muggin.

 

So for future reference, you DO believe the government can run efficiently and you are FOR frivolous spending?

 

Holy poo.  Republican hypocrisy is mind blowing



#32 Zaximus

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:09 PM

Food stamps?  No.  What causes people to lose their fugging minds are when food stamps are used and the food put into barrels and sent to the Carribbean.  When EBT cards are used in casinos and strip clubs and used to buy things other than food for their family. 

 

What drives people crazy is fraud.  Whether that's with food stamps, welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Disability, IRS (ITINs)...the issue is fraud.  I'm all for providing food to people that truly need it.  Just like I'm all for providing the ability to anyone that wants to vote to vote...legally. 

 

 

You do realize white collar fraud trumps all of those things combined each year, and yet NOTHING is done about that.  No punishment, nothing.  Those are also the ones that put republicans into office (and yes democrats too).  However no one freaks out about those things.  Wonder why?  You should be more concerned about that than food stamps, but those people wear suits and work in big buildings, they are ok?



#33 g5jamz

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:13 PM

Let's also see.

 

  • Barring young adults from pre-registering as 16- and 17-year-olds, which is permitted by current law, and repealing a state directive that high schools conduct voter registration drives in order to boost turnout among young voters.

 

Young people tend to lean democrat I believe.  We can't have THEM interested in the voting process and understanding how to go about this.

 

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Only permitting citizens to vote in their specific precinct, rather than casting a ballot in any nearby ward or election district. This can lead to widespread confusion, particularly in urban areas where many precincts can often be housed in the same building. 

 

Hm, who usually lives in urban areas?  Minorities.  What party do they usually vote for?  What locations in NC usually learn democrat (cities and the urban areas in those cities).

 

The high school voter registration drive I even did when I was in high school back in 1987.  I couldn't vote in a federal election until 1988 anyway and there wasn't an election that year....so it wasn't a big deal.  Just register when you're 18...hell...do it when you sign up for selective service.

 

As far as the precinct stuff...I don't accept the premise of the statement regarding precincts being housed in the same building and only applicable to urban areas.  This is crap and biased by the writer.  We've always had overlapping districts and precincts.  The voter should know where to go.  Maybe this is an opportunity for the Ds and Rs to GOTV to the right place.  Puts undue burden and accountability on little old ladies that have issues with change. 



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:14 PM

Food stamps?  No.  What causes people to lose their fugging minds are when food stamps are used and the food put into barrels and sent to the Carribbean.  When EBT cards are used in casinos and strip clubs and used to buy things other than food for their family. 

 

What drives people crazy is fraud.  Whether that's with food stamps, welfare, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Disability, IRS (ITINs)...the issue is fraud.  I'm all for providing food to people that truly need it.  Just like I'm all for providing the ability to anyone that wants to vote to vote...legally. 

 

So food stamps that recent studies by the CBO have shown has very very small levels of fraud is bad, but spending on a voter ID laws based on a fraud that has been proven to barely exist is good?



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:15 PM

Wait?  So now you trust in the State government to run to run efficient program to accommodate all these people?

 

You liberal ninny muggin.

 

So for future reference, you DO believe the government can run efficiently and you are FOR frivolous spending?

 

Holy poo.  Republican hypocrisy is mind blowing

 

No...I don't trust government officials.  Which is why I trust putting more emphasis on technology, voter id, validation, and accountability.  What we have now is antiquated and looks like something similar to a 3rd world country.  Yes...I'm X and I live at (wait a sec...let me look at my address) and here's my X signature.  Where's my ballot. 



#36 g5jamz

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:16 PM

So food stamps that recent studies by the CBO have shown has very very small levels of fraud is bad, but spending on a voter ID laws based on a fraud that has been proven to barely exist is good?

 

Yes...food stamp fraud/welfare fraud doesn't exist either.  Got it. 



#37 g5jamz

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:17 PM

You do realize white collar fraud trumps all of those things combined each year, and yet NOTHING is done about that.  No punishment, nothing.  Those are also the ones that put republicans into office (and yes democrats too).  However no one freaks out about those things.  Wonder why?  You should be more concerned about that than food stamps, but those people wear suits and work in big buildings, they are ok?

 

Strawman.

 

Do something about it.  They break laws...blow the whistle on them and have them arrested.  What's that got to do with the price of rice in China.



#38 Zaximus

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:17 PM

Yeah because women have to sign up for selective service... wait they don't.  Then again republicans probably don't want them voting anyway.  They can't even make choices on their own bodies so.....

 

We need high school programs to get young people interested in voting and to understand the process.  Just because it didn't work for YOU doesn't mean it shouldn't happen.  Typical right-winger theories.  Healthcare doesn't work for them, we shouldn't try it!    High school drive didn't work for ME, it's terrible and should be ended!

 

Once again you are very dense.  Who blows the whistle on white collar crime when that crime put all our politicians in office?  You should be fighting the cause and telling your republican politicians you voted for to stop this fraud!  It trumps any social welfare fraud by 100 fold.  Get.  A.  Clue.   You are also impossible, go back to watching Fox news.



#39 teeray

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:19 PM

The high school voter registration drive I even did when I was in high school back in 1987.  I couldn't vote in a federal election until 1988 anyway and there wasn't an election that year....so it wasn't a big deal.  Just register when you're 18...hell...do it when you sign up for selective service.

 

As far as the precinct stuff...I don't accept the premise of the statement regarding precincts being housed in the same building and only applicable to urban areas.  This is crap and biased by the writer.  We've always had overlapping districts and precincts.  The voter should know where to go.  Maybe this is an opportunity for the Ds and Rs to GOTV to the right place.  Puts undue burden and accountability on little old ladies that have issues with change. 

 

We really don't have to nitpick specifics.  Republican leaders have flat out said this is about suppressing Democratic voters (a couple of times even slipping up in public).

 

There is no reason to get down in the weeds on this. There is a reason that all of the sudden in the last 8 or so years this has been a priority for every Republican state.

 

It isn't because they are concerned about the sanctity of everyone's vote.



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:21 PM

Yes...food stamp fraud/welfare fraud doesn't exist either.  Got it. 

 

Didn't say it didn't exist.  But there have been comprehensive studies on these things and fraud is not very prevalent in either case.

 

you can bitch about what people are doing when they get their government funds, but SNAPs for certain has been reviewed recently and there is very little fraud.



#41 g5jamz

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:25 PM

Only persons that should be suppressed are people that are trying to subvert the system.  That's it.  If that happens to be more democrats (as recent elections have proven)...so be it. 



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:27 PM

Fraud is not prevalent? Lol bullshit

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:28 PM

Ok so you're now against ending high school voting drives and cutting early voting time?  Because those affect people that aren't trying to subvert the system.



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:30 PM

No...I don't trust government officials.  Which is why I trust putting more emphasis on technology, voter id, validation, and accountability.  What we have now is antiquated and looks like something similar to a 3rd world country.  Yes...I'm X and I live at (wait a sec...let me look at my address) and here's my X signature.  Where's my ballot. 

 

You asked if we had read how the State government was going to help provide the IDs.  That is government officials. 



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 10:30 PM

the GOP is digging its own grave with all this. they're sacrificing the long term for short-term gain. people are taking notice.

 

i grew up in an incredibly conservative household, voted republican in all the elections, and then slowly started realizing they were full of poo and gradually moved towards the middle, and voted for gary johnson in 2012. and even now less than a year later i'd vote democrat unless a viable third-party candidate popped up.

 

and there are a LOT of me.




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