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#61 JawnyBlaze

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 09:22 PM

Having receivers that can actually create separation and catch would obviously help. Im not sure where the taller receivers came from, but okay.

 

Almost all of Cam's inaccurate passes are high + taller receivers would be more capable of bringing down those high passes = taller receivers would mean fewer incompletions by Cam.
 



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Posted 30 July 2013 - 09:29 PM

Almost all of Cam's inaccurate passes are high + taller receivers would be more capable of bringing down those high passes = taller receivers would mean fewer incompletions by Cam.
 

 

Thats your "theory". Nothing proves that taller receivers are more capable of making Quarterbacks better. For whatever reasons a guy named Tom Brady made a living off completing passes to a 5'9 Wes Welker.

 

Id love to have a 6 footer like Moose or Bowe, but right now I rather just have a good receiver than worrying about their height.



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Posted 30 July 2013 - 09:31 PM

How has Josh Thomas looked?



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Posted 30 July 2013 - 09:39 PM

Thats your "theory". Nothing proves that taller receivers are more capable of making Quarterbacks better. For whatever reasons a guy named Tom Brady made a living off completing passes to a 5'9 Wes Welker.

 

Id love to have a 6 footer like Moose or Bowe, but right now I rather just have a good receiver than worrying about their height.

 

Try to read what I'm actually writing.  I didn't say all tall receivers make all QBs better.  I said giving Cam taller receivers would help mask his greatest passing deficiency - his tendency to sail passes a little high.  My comments have been Cam specific, not talking about all QBs in general.  If CAM had taller receivers to work with, his high passes wouldn't be as big of a problem.

 

I'm just saying that I wish we'd focus our WR efforts on guys that are on the taller side of the spectrum rather than having a bunch of 6ft and under guys and Lafell.  I want taller receivers, 6'2 or taller preferably, who can also catch.  We haven't had one of those outside of Lafell since Gettis played in '10.  This falls into what people have been saying in other threads about other young QBs being given weapons.  Cam's been given weapons, unfortunately he's been given chop sticks in a spear fight.



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Posted 30 July 2013 - 09:56 PM

Try to read what I'm actually writing.  I didn't say all tall receivers make all QBs better.  I said giving Cam taller receivers would help mask his greatest passing deficiency - his tendency to sail passes a little high.  My comments have been Cam specific, not talking about all QBs in general.  If CAM had taller receivers to work with, his high passes wouldn't be as big of a problem.

 

I'm just saying that I wish we'd focus our WR efforts on guys that are on the taller side of the spectrum rather than having a bunch of 6ft and under guys and Lafell.  I want taller receivers, 6'2 or taller preferably, who can also catch.  We haven't had one of those outside of Lafell since Gettis played in '10.  This falls into what people have been saying in other threads about other young QBs being given weapons.  Cam's been given weapons, unfortunately he's been given chop sticks in a spear fight.

You don't find giant receivers just to make up for newton's high throws, you work with Newton to step properly and follow through on the throw.  You do draft quick fast receivers with good hands (if you can find them) because it makes it harder for DBs to defend them, it gives Cam a big target to throw to (nor just vertically but a bigger radius to the front or back given the longer body and longer arms), and most big receivers are usually more physical and stronger.

Unfortunately there are just  so many Calvin Johnson's out there.



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Posted 30 July 2013 - 09:57 PM

Thats your "theory". Nothing proves that taller receivers are more capable of making Quarterbacks better. For whatever reasons a guy named Tom Brady made a living off completing passes to a 5'9 Wes Welker.

 

Id love to have a 6 footer like Moose or Bowe, but right now I rather just have a good receiver than worrying about their height.

 

Lafell is 6'2. Same height as Moose and Bowe.



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Posted 30 July 2013 - 10:07 PM

I'm not saying Cam should be able to just ignore his problems and expect outside factors to mask it.  I'm saying that if we had been getting normal to bigger sized WRs, his high throws wouldn't be as big of a problem.  Of course Cam should still be working on his footwork and followthrough.  In addition to that, I'd prefer a WR corps that has an average of taller than 5'10.  I'm not even saying I expect a WR corps of 6'3 and taller.  Average (6'1) guys would be acceptable and would help with Cam's overthrows.  I was saying "taller" receivers.  As in taller than our midget corps.

 

For example, Lafell isn't a giant, he's just barely above average at 6'2 if I recall correctly.  And his ability to elevate lead to the longest TD pass in team history.  And the pass was, admittedly, probably overthrown.  Some will look at it as "Cam just put it where only the WR could get it!  Yea, what an awesome pass!"  but truly it was probably a bit overthrown and that's why Lafell was able to take it to the house. 

 

A large portion of Cam's interceptions have been passes that were overthrown and Smitty couldn't get up to get them or some lazy asshat like Legadoodoo can't high point a ball and sometimes didn't even try and a safety playing behind was able to catch it.



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Posted 30 July 2013 - 10:08 PM

And that will be the last I have to say about that.  Talked that point into the ground, didn't intend for it to get drawn out so much.  I thought what I was saying was just obvious common sense.



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Posted 30 July 2013 - 10:18 PM

Brady has bad practices. I'm not worried it was the 4th day in a row and anybody arms and technic can suffer threw to over work and no rest days. Plus he was ripping it up earlier in practcies.



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Posted 30 July 2013 - 10:24 PM

Brady has bad practices. I'm not worried it was the 4th day in a row and anybody arms and technic can suffer threw to over work and no rest days. Plus he was ripping it up earlier in practcies.

And even then, Cam doesnt have to be Tom Brady(few QBs are). He has something Brady has never, nor will ever have and its pure athleticism. At Cams early stage, he can get away with some of the poorer fundamentals because hes just such a freak of an athlete. If this team can surround Cam with even just a smidge better talent, its a playoff team year in and year out.



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Posted 30 July 2013 - 10:35 PM

Is Cam making the right move mentally and had a half practice that wasn't great physically? Because I'm more concerned if he is making wrong reads/early checkdowns/etc. than I am about him sailing some balls during a practice.

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 08:57 AM

Why isn't Fua just automatically cut

 

woa woa woa...Slow your roll, son.  



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:12 AM

Please don't make me cum! Finally a red zone target. Get him the "jump ball" like Ryan to Gonzo, Brady to Gronk or Brees to Graham and we are golden!

 

And he supposedly has a 36" vertical. And I'm sure long arms, to go along with those big Guns/Pythons (to ward defenders away, while reaching for the ball), and big mitts to catch it with!!



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:19 AM

I'm not saying Cam should be able to just ignore his problems and expect outside factors to mask it.  I'm saying that if we had been getting normal to bigger sized WRs, his high throws wouldn't be as big of a problem.  Of course Cam should still be working on his footwork and followthrough.  In addition to that, I'd prefer a WR corps that has an average of taller than 5'10.  I'm not even saying I expect a WR corps of 6'3 and taller.  Average (6'1) guys would be acceptable and would help with Cam's overthrows.  I was saying "taller" receivers.  As in taller than our midget corps.

 

For example, Lafell isn't a giant, he's just barely above average at 6'2 if I recall correctly.  And his ability to elevate lead to the longest TD pass in team history.  And the pass was, admittedly, probably overthrown.  Some will look at it as "Cam just put it where only the WR could get it!  Yea, what an awesome pass!"  but truly it was probably a bit overthrown and that's why Lafell was able to take it to the house. 

 

A large portion of Cam's interceptions have been passes that were overthrown and Smitty couldn't get up to get them or some lazy asshat like Legadoodoo can't high point a ball and sometimes didn't even try and a safety playing behind was able to catch it.

 

Though I am not one to freak out, after/over the 5th practice, and I won't! You bring up some good points. 

 

I do agree with your general premise, that if Cam had bigger receivers to throw to on a regular basis, it would help him immeasurably. This is especially true in the redzone. This is also why Shockey, was missed so much in 2012.

 

Steve Smith, is just not a big target (especially in the Redzone), and Cam's throws need perfect timing, or a spectacular catch by Smith if they're high, downfield, between or over defenders. 

 

Now of course, Cam will/should get better with his touch throws and accuracy. And the OC and OL need to get much better in 2013 (and I hope it does), and have a lot to do with this for Cam to succeed. 

 

But your point is well taken, indeed. 



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:19 AM

Brandon Williams is the new Nelson Rosario...





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