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If It Wasn't Clear That We Need Offensive Line Help (OTL Stat)

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I'm surprised with as much cap room as we've saved this year that gettleman hasn't gone out and offered Moore a decent contract

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After we draft a WR with our first pick next year. I wouldn't be surprised to see us take 4-5 OLmen.

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A few thoughts:

1) Kalil was our center for some of the worst O-line performances last year. The line actually began to perform better as the injuries mounted and guys like Byers were playing. Does that mean Byers et al are better than Kalil and the other starters, or is the answer found in one of CRA's points earlier in this thread?

2) The key point made by CRA and others has to do with changes in play calling as the year went on. Routes were shortened, checkdowns became available, and we used more 2 TE and max protect sets. That is a big part of why Cam and the O-line improved as the year progressed.

3) Cam takes fewer big sacks than just about any QB in the league thanks to his legs. He broke many big runs on scrambles. There are times he should just throw it away, but they are rare.

That's my 2 cents worth.

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Anybody care to turn this into a number game?

 

Let's assuming the blame equation looks like this.

 

Blame = Cam + Chud + OLine

 

We could also put RR in there, but for our purposes let's assume that as the head coach RR's responsibility = Chud's responsibility.

 

Let's also assuming Blame is equal to 100 percent. So what percentage of blame would you assign to each party? Here's mine:

 

Cam - 15%

Chud - 60%

OLine - 25%

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Anybody care to turn this into a number game?

Let's assuming the blame equation looks like this.

Blame = Cam + Chud + OLine

We could also put RR in there, but for our purposes let's assume that as the head coach RR's responsibility = Chud's responsibility.

Let's also assuming Blame is equal to 100 percent. So what percentage of blame would you assign to each party? Here's mine:

Cam - 15%
Chud - 60%
OLine - 25%


We won't be able to tell until the first few games.

Simply from practice reports it sounds more like...

Cam- 5%
Chud- 25%
O-Line- 70%

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If you wish to buy that politically-correct BS and ignore Cam's own frustrations after those games, then more power to you. During our 2-8 stretch, Cam was seeking home runs because of our offensive struggles (thanks impart to Chud and O-Line play). All QBs in that position would start to swing for the fences too, especially when your defense and special teams leave no room for error, and can't preserve leads. Anyone who has seen Newton play before knew that he reacting uncharacteristically during the first half of the season.

 

Yeah because up to that point no one has ever said that he gets down on himself and tries to do too much.  No one had criticized him for getting all frustrated and cares more about his own feelings than he does about being positive to help the team and show leadership.

And Cam himself didn't say that he is working on being more of a leader and staying  positive instead of being Mr Mopeyhead.

 

Yeah it was all Chud and the O-line.

 

You must be the president of the BNJS.  If you don't know know what that means ask someone who was around when Jake was here. 

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A few thoughts:

1) Kalil was our center for some of the worst O-line performances last year. The line actually began to perform better as the injuries mounted and guys like Byers were playing. Does that mean Byers et al are better than Kalil and the other starters, or is the answer found in one of CRA's points earlier in this thread?

2) The key point made by CRA and others has to do with changes in play calling as the year went on. Routes were shortened, checkdowns became available, and we used more 2 TE and max protect sets. That is a big part of why Cam and the O-line improved as the year progressed.

3) Cam takes fewer big sacks than just about any QB in the league thanks to his legs. He broke many big runs on scrambles. There are times he should just throw it away, but they are rare.

That's my 2 cents worth.

Who was next to Kalil at the beginning of the year?  Oh yeah, a rookie with no starting experience.  Couldn't be that as he got experience he helped shore up his position and Bell got more experience and improved as well. How do you make the passing game better?  Run the ball better??

 

What if the biggest changes were going to a more power running game which opened up play action,slowed down the pass rush and made the passing game better.  Did we call shorter routes and more checkdowns or did Shula work with Cam to hit the checkdowns and look for receivers quicker? Maybe a combination of both....

 

Nobody debates that Newton is elusive and can break big runs with his legs. No one debates that the Oline was not good. Even Cam says he needs to get better so why is it even a debate.

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Yeah because up to that point no one has ever said that he gets down on himself and tries to do too much.  No one had criticized him for getting all frustrated and cares more about his own feelings than he does about being positive to help the team and show leadership.

And Cam himself didn't say that he is working on being more of a leader and staying  positive instead of being Mr Mopeyhead.

 

Yeah it was all Chud and the O-line.

 

You must be the president of the BNJS.  If you don't know know what that means ask someone who was around when Jake was here. 

 

Oh grow up you whiny little runt. You act as if I'm excusing Cam for his body language and inconsistency. If you're already resorting to jamming words into my mouth, then there's no point in debating with a 12 year old with internet privileges.

 

Goodbye.

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... so why is it even a debate.


1) It's a forum. That's what we do here.

2) Not everyone shares the same opinion.

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A few thoughts:


2) The key point made by CRA and others has to do with changes in play calling as the year went on. Routes were shortened, checkdowns became available, and we used more 2 TE and max protect sets. That is a big part of why Cam and the O-line improved as the year progressed.



 

 

From my observations this was the biggest change.  This didn't start till week 9.  Why did it take 8 games for us to change the offense?

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I just finished a great day of fishing at the beach and came back to the beach house and happened to turn on OTL on ESPN.

They were discussing Gettleman's comments about Cam and though I don't condone watching ESPN, Jackie McMullan presented a great stat.

- Cam has been hit 320+ times since 2011. The player that comes in second has been hit 180 times since 2011. With a stat out like this, you would think that the Carolina Panthers would address the offensive line position.

- Bomani Jones also mentioned a common stat among Panther fans being that the Panthers have lost 13 of their 19 games by a touchdown or less.

Note: By addressing the offensive line position, I don't mean drafting a DII project in the fourth round.

On a side not, Bill Plaschke believes that we will win 10 games and be a playoff team this year.

It's nice to hear people that are somewhat knowledgeable of our team speak rather than jackwagons like Prisco, Schein etc..


I may be in the minority but I actually really like Prisco. Besides that one stupid Cam pro bowl article he has stuck up for him many times and at the very least is no where close to the dimwit Schein is, Prisco is actually pretty knowledgable TBH. Just my 2 cents.

/endrant

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Wait until the final roster cuts are over, we will pick up 1-2 Linemen and hopefully another half decent CB.

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