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#61 panthers55

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 07:30 AM

Oh grow up you whiny little runt. You act as if I'm excusing Cam for his body language and inconsistency. If you're already resorting to jamming words into my mouth, then there's no point in debating with a 12 year old with internet privileges.

 

Goodbye.

There you go with the juvenile personal attacks when you lose  the debate.  People who have seen me at the tailgates would surely not confuse me with a child or a runt..  Why not go to the smack forum where you belong if you can't discuss issues like an adult.  



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 07:34 AM

1) It's a forum. That's what we do here.

2) Not everyone shares the same opinion.

But some things have been discussed ad nauseum with players admitting they need to work on certain aspects of their game.  Then apologists come on here acting like it isn't even a concern. Most folks just accept it  and move on.



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:17 PM

Here is an excerpt from Football Outsiders almanac 2013 on what we need to be a playoff team this year. It said exactly what I have been saying. Regardless of the o-line, Newton needs to get better.  Everything from needing to read defenses faster and making better decisions to not holding the ball too long.  43% of his sacks were due to holding the ball over 3 seconds which was tops in the league.  He fumbled 10 times in 2012 including the killer one against Atlanta.

 

 Football Outsiders Almanac 2013

"Football Outsiders Almanac 2013," a comprehensive guide to the upcoming NFL and college football seasons featuring FO's advanced stats, is available now in electronic and print versions. 
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We know the Panthers will have their strengths in 2013. In Cam Newton, DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart and short-yardage specialist Mike Tolbert, the Panthers have a quartet of players capable of moving the ball on the ground against any defense. First-round draft pick Star Lotulelei will join Luke Kuechly, Charles Johnson & Co. to form what should be the best front seven in the division. But that's not enough to make a playoff team. Here's what needs to happen if the Panthers are going to get back into the postseason and wipe Delhomme-ageddon from their memory:

Cam Newton's passing must improve. Newton's fantasy numbers and completion rate fell in his second season, leading to a common perception that he regressed, but in some ways he showed significant improvement. His yards per play actually rose slightly, and his interception rate declined significantly. His DVOA -- our advanced play-by-play metric, explained here -- was slightly higher in 2012 than in 2011. But there's still plenty of room for improvement.

For starters, there's the red zone, where Newton's completion rate (34.9 percent) and touchdown rate (12.7 percent) were about two-thirds and half of the league average figures (52.7 percent, 23.2 percent). Newton remains a dangerous red zone rusher, but it's easier for defenses to limit his scrambling opportunities near the goal line -- he had only 26 red zone rushes in 2012, but 63 red zone passes. If Newton can just be average inside the 20, that'll add about a half-dozen touchdowns for the Panthers' offense this fall.

Newton also must learn to read defenses and decide where to go with the ball more quickly. Newton was sacked 36 times last season, and 43 percent of those plays were "long" sacks when Newton held the ball for at least three seconds, the highest rate in the league.

Finally, Newton needs to get over his case of fumble-itis. He had just five fumbles as a rookie but had 10 last season. Only five players fumbled more often in 2012.

 



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:25 PM

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:39 PM

Here is an excerpt from Football Outsiders almanac 2013 on what we need to be a playoff team this year. It said exactly what I have been saying. Regardless of the o-line, Newton needs to get better. Everything from needing to read defenses faster and making better decisions to not holding the ball too long. 43% of his sacks were due to holding the ball over 3 seconds which was tops in the league. He fumbled 10 times in 2012 including the killer one against Atlanta.

Football Outsiders Almanac 2013
"Football Outsiders Almanac 2013," a comprehensive guide to the upcoming NFL and college football seasons featuring FO's advanced stats, is available now in electronic and print versions.
Electronic »
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We know the Panthers will have their strengths in 2013. In Cam Newton, DeAngelo Williams, Jonathan Stewart and short-yardage specialist Mike Tolbert, the Panthers have a quartet of players capable of moving the ball on the ground against any defense. First-round draft pick Star Lotulelei will join Luke Kuechly, Charles Johnson & Co. to form what should be the best front seven in the division. But that's not enough to make a playoff team. Here's what needs to happen if the Panthers are going to get back into the postseason and wipe Delhomme-ageddon from their memory:

Cam Newton's passing must improve. Newton's fantasy numbers and completion rate fell in his second season, leading to a common perception that he regressed, but in some ways he showed significant improvement. His yards per play actually rose slightly, and his interception rate declined significantly. His DVOA -- our advanced play-by-play metric, explained here -- was slightly higher in 2012 than in 2011. But there's still plenty of room for improvement.

For starters, there's the red zone, where Newton's completion rate (34.9 percent) and touchdown rate (12.7 percent) were about two-thirds and half of the league average figures (52.7 percent, 23.2 percent). Newton remains a dangerous red zone rusher, but it's easier for defenses to limit his scrambling opportunities near the goal line -- he had only 26 red zone rushes in 2012, but 63 red zone passes. If Newton can just be average inside the 20, that'll add about a half-dozen touchdowns for the Panthers' offense this fall.

Newton also must learn to read defenses and decide where to go with the ball more quickly. Newton was sacked 36 times last season, and 43 percent of those plays were "long" sacks when Newton held the ball for at least three seconds, the highest rate in the league.

Finally, Newton needs to get over his case of fumble-itis. He had just five fumbles as a rookie but had 10 last season. Only five players fumbled more often in 2012.


Is this a joke?

We would have been lucky to win 2 games all year without him behind center. All but 2 of our losses he and the offense kept us within 7 points late into the 4th quarter. Is he supposed go out there and play defense now too?

Yet he's expected to do even more no matter even if he has a shitty offensive line?

What a load of garbage.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:45 PM

Is this a joke?

We would have been lucky to win 2 games all year without him behind center. All but 2 of our losses he and the offense kept us within 7 points late into the 4th quarter. Is he supposed go out there and play defense now too?

Yet he's expected to do even more no matter even if he has a shitty offensive line?

What a load of garbage.

Again why the indignation and outrage as if Newton was perfect and can't get better.  Who says the line was good or doesn't need to get better.  The issue is that every player needs to get better and the one guy who touches the ball on every offensive play is Newton. So he is going to get the most scrutiny and is going to  be expected to play at a high level no matter the rest of the team.  Those kind of expectations are why the  quarterback is the highest paid player on the team. To those who are given much, much is expected.



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:54 PM

Again why the indignation and outrage as if Newton was perfect and can't get better. Who says the line was good or doesn't need to get better. The issue is that every player needs to get better and the one guy who touches the ball on every offensive play is Newton. So he is going to get the most scrutiny and is going to be expected to play at a high level no matter the rest of the team. Those kind of expectations are why the quarterback is the highest paid player on the team. To those who are given much, much is expected.


I missed the part where I said he was perfect. Can you show me where I said that please?

You clearly wrote "regardless of the o line, Newton needs to get better". As if having a sh*t o line is no big deal.

Cam currently is not our highest paid player. We tied up 90 million in RB's and our QB lead the team in rushing. Yet Cam is the problem that is holding us back from the playoffs? Come on man. You're really reaching here.

That gif ROCKnROLLA just posted above sums it up.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:21 PM

I missed the part where I said he was perfect. Can you show me where I said that please?

You clearly wrote "regardless of the o line, Newton needs to get better". As if having a sh*t o line is no big deal.

Cam currently is not our highest paid player. We tied up 90 million in RB's and our QB lead the team in rushing. Yet Cam is the problem that is holding us back from the playoffs? Come on man. You're really reaching here.

That gif ROCKnROLLA just posted above sums it up.

Newton will be the highest paid guy in 2 years if he can do what everyone is saying he needs to do.  If he wants to be a 20 million a year guy he needs to earn it.  What are the expectations on Aaron Rodgers this year.  His  offensive line was worse than ours even with the injuries.  He was sacked 51 times. You think everyone is just blaming the line and not expecting him to propel the team to a winning record. It isn't just Cam that is expected to perform no matter who is around him.  You think that Wilson will be given a pass when we play Seattle because a few receivers and linemen won't be playing?

 

This isn't me reaching, this is a very trusted football source saying the same thing I am. This isn't  a talking head or ESPN, this is football outsiders who base their opinion on facts and expert analysis.  It is apologists like you that refuse to see what is plainly there.  Sure the O line is the easy target but even if the o line gets better, it won't fix the problems noted in the article None of those were directly related to the line.

The picture RocknRolla shows an all out blitz that no line is going to pick up.  I guess you didn't see the wide open receiver out in the right flat or consider he could have just thrown the ball away.  Again how is that GIF in any way related to the fact that Newton routinely held the ball for more than 3 seconds more than ant other quarterback in the lleagu including Roethlisburger.



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:27 PM

Newton himself mentioned that making quicker decisions and getting the ball out quicker were two if the main things he was working h to improve. He knows what his weaknesses have been and he is the kind of player that will bust his ass to improve. Thank god he is not like many posters on here....or else he would be blaming everyone but himself.

He has played better than we could have expected his first two seasons. That had just raised the expectations. He is a young and developing QB with incredible upside.

I am excited for this season because I think this (his 3rd season) is where we will see it all come together. The athletic ability...the experience...and the work ethos will pay big dividends.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:40 PM

Newton himself mentioned that making quicker decisions and getting the ball out quicker were two if the main things he was working h to improve. He knows what his weaknesses have been and he is the kind of player that will bust his ass to improve. Thank god he is not like many posters on here....or else he would be blaming everyone but himself.

He has played better than we could have expected his first two seasons. That had just raised the expectations. He is a young and developing QB with incredible upside.

I am excited for this season because I think this (his 3rd season) is where we will see it all come together. The athletic ability...the experience...and the work ethos will pay big dividends.

I am excited as well.  I really expect him to pick up where he left off last year and even improve on that.  As you said, if Newton readily admits his mistakes and areas of needed improvement why  do people on here even think he needs defending?  He clearly is going to get better by taking an objective look at himself.  Something many posters are afraid to do for some reason.



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:45 PM

Newton will be the highest paid guy in 2 years if he can do what everyone is saying he needs to do. If he wants to be a 20 million a year guy he needs to earn it. What are the expectations on Aaron Rodgers this year. His offensive line was worse than ours even with the injuries. He was sacked 51 times. You think everyone is just blaming the line and not expecting him to propel the team to a winning record. It isn't just Cam that is expected to perform no matter who is around him. You think that Wilson will be given a pass when we play Seattle because a few receivers and linemen won't be playing?

This isn't me reaching, this is a very trusted football source saying the same thing I am. This isn't a talking head or ESPN, this is football outsiders who base their opinion on facts and expert analysis. It is apologists like you that refuse to see what is plainly there. Sure the O line is the easy target but even if the o line gets better, it won't fix the problems noted in the article None of those were directly related to the line.
The picture RocknRolla shows an all out blitz that no line is going to pick up. I guess you didn't see the wide open receiver out in the right flat or consider he could have just thrown the ball away. Again how is that GIF in any way related to the fact that Newton routinely held the ball for more than 3 seconds more than ant other quarterback in the lleagu including Roethlisburger.


Aaron Rodgers is in his 8th year in the league and has a super bowl ring. Cam is just now beginning his 3rd season, and inherited a franchise with only 4 winning seasons and one of the worst offenses the NFL has seen in 2010.

How did Rodgers look in the playoffs last year against San Francisco with that offensive line by the way?

I don't care about your source and you can keep your arrogant attitude, accusing everyone of being an "apologist" just because they don't agree with you. You used to be an intelligent poster, but all you are now is just bitter.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:56 PM

Aaron Rodgers is in his 8th year in the league and has a super bowl ring. Cam is just now beginning his 3rd season, and inherited a franchise that with only 4 winning seasons and one of the worst offenses the NFL has seen in 2010.

How did Rodgers look in the playoffs last year against San Francisco with that offensive line by the way?

I don't care about your source and you can keep your arrogant attitude, accusing everyone of being an "apologist" just because they don't agree with you. You used to be an intelligent poster, but all you are now is just bitter.

There you go again with the apologies and excuses.  Since when is bitter defined as being excited about the season and looking forward to Cam picking up where he left off and getting better. I am optimistic about the year.  Being honest and objective about your quarterback is not bitter.  Do you even read my posts before you respond.   I don't care if you agree with me or not, it isn't just  me saying it.  Newton is saying the same thing and he has never blamed the line for his issues.  Is he bitter too??.



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:15 PM

There you go again with the apologies and excuses. Since when is bitter defined as being excited about the season and looking forward to Cam picking up where he left off and getting better. I am optimistic about the year. Being honest and objective about your quarterback is not bitter. Do you even read my posts before you respond. I don't care if you agree with me or not, it isn't just me saying it. Newton is saying the same thing and he has never blamed the line for his issues. Is he bitter too??.


When did stating facts become making apologies and excuses? Newton is certainly not saying the same drivel that you are here. Ahh yes you are being honest and objective, yet everyone else must be clueless idiots right?

Backtrack a little faster p55.

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:21 PM

When did stating facts become making apologies and excuses? Newton is certainly not saying the same drivel that you are here. Ahh yes you are being honest and objective, yet everyone else must be clueless idiots right?

Backtrack a little faster p55.

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