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If we go 9-7 and miss the playoffs, Rivera should NOT be fired.


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#31 RoaringRiot

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 09:54 PM

Just win. 



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Posted 05 August 2013 - 09:55 PM

Some teams react differently to coaching techniques. It seems like the team is much more suited for a laid back coach. We have strong position coaches and at nearly every position we have, there is a veteran presence (Derek Anderson, DeAngelo Williams, Steve Smith, Greg Olsen, Thomas Davis, Jon Beason, Charles Johnson, Colin Cole, Jordan Gross, Ryan Kalil, Drayton Florence, Charles Godfrey).

One thing I've learned from my coaching classes and helping out with my college football team is that you have to get to know your personnel because not every team (and within every team player) reacts the same.


Yeah well a 13-19 record and a 1-5 start and a 1-6 start back to back say otherwise.

#33 2jakefansinva

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 10:00 PM

As usual...........there will be a bunch pissed off when RR isnt fired.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 10:04 PM

Yeah well a 13-19 record and a 1-5 start and a 1-6 start back to back say otherwise.


Huh? That doesn't really make sense.

Rivera has never been a laid back coach until this year.. I guess we have different opinions of laid back... Some probably want to see Rivera rip into players on the sidelines like Bill Parcels when I'm under the impression that yelling at a grown man is not productive whatsoever. In my opinion, Rivera has made great strides this offseason and it started with him admitting his previous mistakes.

Also while I'm not defending all of Rivera's decisions, that 13-19 record is not totally on him. At the end of the day, the players make the plays...

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 10:06 PM

Pressure make a monkey eat hot peppers.



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Posted 05 August 2013 - 10:07 PM

Ugh people on here are still happy with being avg. Here's a thought let's win our division and not worry about being eliminated.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 10:12 PM

No one is happy with being average but a lot of people are being realistic...

We have an awful offensive line, a make shift secondary, a bunch of players coming off injuries, and an a relatively unknown wide receiver group other than Smith and LaFell.

If there's one thing that's worse than a pessimist is someone that's overly optimistic.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 10:13 PM

Huh? That doesn't really make sense.

Rivera has never been a laid back coach until this year.. I guess we have different opinions of laid back... Some probably want to see Rivera rip into players on the sidelines like Bill Parcels when I'm under the impression that yelling at a grown man is not productive whatsoever. In my opinion, Rivera has made great strides this offseason and it started with him admitting his previous mistakes.

Also while I'm not defending all of Rivera's decisions, that 13-19 record is not totally on him. At the end of the day, the players make the plays...


How so? The head coach is THE guy, and his teams win loss total is a direct reflection of his job performance. Players don't choose the plays, and they don't waste timeouts in moronic fashion, or punt on 4th and 1 either.

If a grown man who is paid millions or multiple millions can't take some yelling, they don't belong on the roster. Honestly though yelling isn't even a necessity, it's more of a cliche if anything. What do I want? Intensity.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 10:16 PM

Agreed...Rivera is gaining confidence with this being only his SECOND!!! Real offseason where he can assess progress and regression.

A first season with a front office that made a decent amount of quality moves...not like a Hurney-Nakamura signing and popping bubbley soon after satisfied with a terrible offseason with no direction.

Team assesment:Our QB needs WRs..
Hurney: .ok ill sign a pricey HB!! We will run less too!! Double win!!

The team had a top 10 defense last season with an uneven secondary and below avg run defense.

i really think Rivera can be special when constructing defensive schemes with McD...we just need that special teams to be somewhat...special.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 10:35 PM

How so? The head coach is THE guy, and his teams win loss total is a direct reflection of his job performance. Players don't choose the plays, and they don't waste timeouts in moronic fashion, or punt on 4th and 1 either.

If a grown man who is paid millions or multiple millions can't take some yelling, they don't belong on the roster. Honestly though yelling isn't even a necessity, it's more of a cliche if anything. What do I want? Intensity.


Not exactly...

The head coach does not call the plays, the coach isn't in charge of positional meetings, and the head coach isn't the one out there on the field trying to make plays.

The head coaches primary job is to game plan. DeAngelo Williams said something recently that really convinced me that Chudzinski was the problem. Williams said that the team game planned to run the ball during the week but when they got to the games they completely ignored the game plan. It seems like Chud had his own idea on game day and tended to ignore the game plan that Rivera had set up. I think Shula and Rivera will be a much better match.

Rivera has intensity he just shows it in a different way, you can look at him and see that he wants to succeed. If you're looking for a coach that gets in players faces or try's to fire up his team by jumping around, you might want to switch teams.

 

Rivera will always be a mellow guy but you can tell by looking at him on game day that he has a passion to succeed.

Also let's be real, if you're smart you knew Rivera was going to make mistakes in his first two years. Did you really expect that a head coach with no experience was going to come in a take us to the Super Bowl in two years?



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Posted 05 August 2013 - 10:50 PM

Not exactly...

The head coach does not call the plays, the coach isn't in charge of positional meetings, and the head coach isn't the one out there on the field trying to make plays.

The head coaches primary job is to game plan. DeAngelo Williams said something recently that really convinced me that Chudzinski was the problem. Williams said that the team game planned to run the ball during the week but when they got to the games they completely ignored the game plan. It seems like Chud had his own idea on game day and tended to ignore the game plan that Rivera had set up. I think Shula and Rivera will be a much better match.

Rivera has intensity he just shows it in a different way, you can look at him and see that he wants to succeed. If you're looking for a coach that gets in players faces or try's to fire up his team by jumping around, you might want to switch teams.
Rivera will always be a mellow guy but you can tell by looking at him on game day that he has a passion to succeed.

Also let's be real, if you're smart you knew Rivera was going to make mistakes in his first two years. Did you really expect that a head coach with no experience was going to come in a take us to the Super Bowl in two years?


I'm pretty sure nobody here but drooling homers expected a Superbowl in the first two years.

While we're on the topic of Chud shitting the bed, yes he was a problem. Who's his boss? You guessed it. Ron Rivera. It shouldn't have taken Ron half the season and Hurney getting fired to man up and fix the mess Chud created.

Switch teams, because we disagree? Come on man lol, we're just having a discussion here. Anyway, time will tell. I do not have anything against Rivera. I want him to succeed, but I'm not going to ignore his faults and play dumb.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 10:51 PM

The head coaches primary job is to game plan. DeAngelo Williams said something recently that really convinced me that Chudzinski was the problem. Williams said that the team game planned to run the ball during the week but when they got to the games they completely ignored the game plan. It seems like Chud had his own idea on game day and tended to ignore the game plan that Rivera had set up. I think Shula and Rivera will be a much better match.

 

And if true that just increases my doubt in Rivera. To let the OC consistently ignore the weekly game plan screams huge red flag to me.



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Posted 05 August 2013 - 10:58 PM

I'm pretty sure nobody here but drooling homers expected a Superbowl in the first two years.

While we're on the topic of Chud shitting the bed, yes he was a problem. Who's his boss? You guessed it. Ron Rivera. It shouldn't have taken Ron half the season and Hurney getting fired to man up and fix the mess Chud created.

Switch teams, because we disagree? Come on man lol, we're just having a discussion here. Anyway, time will tell. I do not have anything against Rivera. I want him to succeed, but I'm not going to ignore his faults and play dumb.


At the end of the day, there is only so much a coach can do. Rivera can continually tell Chud to run the ball or to not use the read option so much; but at the end of the day Chud makes the calls and it's not like he is going to get fired if he doesn't listen or agree with Ron. Coordinators and position coaches are never fired in-season.

Sorry, I didn't mean it like that. I meant it as if you want a coach that is in your face; you might want to switch teams for this year.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 10:58 PM

No Playoffs = Fire Rivera's Ass

 

We have the potential to be better than a 9 wins team. Why? Bc we have Cam.

 

How can two rookie QBs in Andrew Luck and Russell Wilson win 11 games each last season? How about RG3 with 10 wins?

 

Why cant Rivera win more than 9 games with a 3rd year veteran QB in Cam Newton this season?



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Posted 05 August 2013 - 11:02 PM

And if true that just increases my doubt in Rivera. To let the OC consistently ignore the weekly game plan screams huge red flag to me.


What are you going to do, fire him? Position coaches and coordinators are never fired in-season. At the end of the day, Rivera can only hope that Chud respects him enough to go with his game plan.

I'm not blaming it all on Chud because there were some flawed game plans by Rivera, but DeAngelo Williams' comments kind of made me think that there might have been some disagreements between Rivera and Chud.


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