Jump to content


Photo
- - - - -

Better panther peppers or Jenkins?


  • Please log in to reply
60 replies to this topic

#1 micnificent28

micnificent28

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,026 posts
  • LocationCharlotte

Posted 12 August 2013 - 02:58 AM

I just wanted to take a moment to reflect and engage the huddle in a serious debate. I recently got flamed and called a "nutthugger" for say peppers was a better player than kris jenkins. To me it seemed obvious that peppers has a shot at the hall of fame and probably one of the most feared pass rushers ever. Not to say Jenkins wasn't good but,that's just it were comparing a pro bowler to a potential hall of famer. I just wanted to get a group consensus of what the huddle thought. What say you...

#2 Promethean Forerunner

Promethean Forerunner

    SENIOR HUDDLER

  • ALL-PRO
  • 6,875 posts
  • LocationSouth Florida

Posted 12 August 2013 - 03:01 AM

Except you've already insinuated that Jenkins was solely a space-eating, run-stuffer. Don't backpedal now.

#3 micnificent28

micnificent28

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,026 posts
  • LocationCharlotte

Posted 12 August 2013 - 03:07 AM

Except you've already insinuated that Jenkins was solely a space-eating, run-stuffer. Don't backpedal now.



For the most part that's what he was. Yes he got few sack here and there and was a pro bowl defensive tackle. Do you really think his resume measures up favorably to peppers?

#4 O-Ther

O-Ther

    MEMBER

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 460 posts
  • LocationMCO

Posted 12 August 2013 - 03:09 AM

Famous oxymorons:

 

Jumbo shrimp

 

Bureaucratic intelligence

 

Government efficiency

 

Huddle serious debate



#5 Promethean Forerunner

Promethean Forerunner

    SENIOR HUDDLER

  • ALL-PRO
  • 6,875 posts
  • LocationSouth Florida

Posted 12 August 2013 - 03:15 AM

For the most part that's what he was. Yes he got few sack here and there and was a pro bowl defensive tackle. Do you really think his resume measures up favorably to peppers?


Jenkins was the complete package. It doesn't matter what he was for the most part. Like I've reiterated, Kris was the NFL's best DT at the time. Had he stayed healthy, you bet his resume would be on par with Peppers -- he was that dominant.

Hypothetically, if I were to chose a foundation for my defense, I'd take Kris Jenkins over Julius Peppers. You found it unfathomable however.

#6 micnificent28

micnificent28

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,026 posts
  • LocationCharlotte

Posted 12 August 2013 - 03:39 AM

Jenkins was the complete package. It doesn't matter what he was for the most part. Like I've reiterated, Kris was the NFL's best DT at the time. Had he stayed healthy, you bet his resume would be on par with Peppers -- he was that dominant.

Hypothetically, if I were to chose a foundation for my defense, I'd take Kris Jenkins over Julius Peppers. You found it unfathomable however.


Value wise that would make a bad gm. Quarterback being the most important peice in a franchise. Second being a guy who can get to the quarterback I.E a pass rusher. A once and a generation talent like peppers vs. A good DT for his time. Til this day there hasn't been a more gifted defensive end come out than peppers(clowney).Run stoppers come a dime a dozen.

#7 Promethean Forerunner

Promethean Forerunner

    SENIOR HUDDLER

  • ALL-PRO
  • 6,875 posts
  • LocationSouth Florida

Posted 12 August 2013 - 03:48 AM

Value wise that would make a bad gm. Quarterback being the most important peice in a franchise. Second being a guy who can get to the quarterback I.E a pass rusher. A once and a generation talent like peppers vs. A good DT for his time. Til this day there hasn't been a more gifted defensive end come out than peppers(clowney).Run stoppers come a dime a dozen.


- Reading Comprehension: Make it your friend.

- Is that why we fans coveted Star Lotulelei so much? The fact is a great DT opens the door for DEs and LBs, and makes those around him better. Thus why The Huddle exploded via extreme gratification.

- If you still haven't figured out the difference between a typical run-stuffer and Kris Jenkins, then I'm done with you. A DT of Jenkins' caliber aren't found in every draft like you're apparently suggesting.

#8 CarolinaPanthers8789

CarolinaPanthers8789

    Alexander SEMIN!!! FTW

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 23,570 posts
  • LocationNorth Carolina/Virginia

Posted 12 August 2013 - 03:59 AM

I don't want to get into this argument... but I would like to note that while Kris had a solid three years here in Carolina followed by a rough two, I don't believe I would label him the best defensive tackle at the time.

That honor goes to Rod Coleman who had 285 tackles, 61 sacks, 29 passes defended, 26 tackles for a loss, 9 forced fumbles, 1 interception, and 1 touchdown in a seven year span.

I still think those seven years might be one of the most dominated era's ever by a player at a single position.

In that seven year span, Coleman actually had seven more sacks than the great Warren Sapp.

I think the real story lies in the time frame that Jenkins played the defensive tackle position. Back when Jenkins was in his prime and putting up big sack numbers, so was every other defensive tackle (Rod Coleman, Warren Sapp, John Randle, Darwin Walker etc.); as where now those numbers are unheard of.

Due to the time period, I don't think Kris really gets the respect that he earned.

Just a little comparison...

In 2002, 11 defensive tackles had six sacks or more.
In 2012, 4 defensive tackles had six sacks or more.

If I had to pick, I would say Peppers, because athletes like Julius are hard to come by. If Pep had as much drive as Johnson or Hardy has then he could easily be one of the best defensive ends to ever play the game. He has literally got by on talent his entire career.


I don't want to get into this argument... but I would like to note that while Kris had a solid three years here in Carolina followed by a rough two, I don't believe I would label him the best defensive tackle at the time.

That honor goes to Rod Coleman who had 285 tackles, 61 sacks, 29 passes defended, 26 tackles for a loss, 9 forced fumbles, 1 interception, and 1 touchdown in a seven year span.

I still think those seven years might be one of the most dominated era's ever by a player at a single position.

In that seven year span, Coleman actually had seven more sacks than the great Warren Sapp.

I think the real story lies in the time frame that Jenkins played the defensive tackle position. Back when Jenkins was in his prime and putting up big sack numbers, so was every other defensive tackle (Rod Coleman, Warren Sapp, John Randle, Darwin Walker etc.); as where now those numbers are unheard of.

Due to the time period, I don't think Kris really gets the respect that he earned.

Just a little comparison...

In 2002, 11 defensive tackles had six sacks or more.
In 2012, 4 defensive tackles had six sacks or more.

If I had to pick, I would say Peppers. Athletes like Julius are hard to come by. If Pep had as much drive as Johnson or Hardy has then he could easily be one of the best defensive ends to ever play the game. He has literally got by on talent his entire career.

#9 Cyberjag

Cyberjag

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,633 posts

Posted 12 August 2013 - 04:25 AM

Peppers was.  I'm not sure how this is u for debate, unless it's between fans who are still mad at the way he left.

 

And to whoever thinks a DT is more important than a DE, the people who actually pay money to the players at different positions tend to disagree with you...  a lot.



#10 Zod

Zod

    YOUR RULER

  • MFCEO
  • 20,086 posts

Posted 12 August 2013 - 04:35 AM

Thank goodness there is nothing exciting happening right now with the Panthers so that we can harp back a decade.



#11 Tarheels23

Tarheels23

    Keep Pounding

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,694 posts

Posted 12 August 2013 - 06:02 AM

How many seasons did Jenkins miss with us again?

#12 Doc Holiday

Doc Holiday

    NON FACETE NOBIS CALCITRARE VESTRVM PERINAEVM

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,909 posts

Posted 12 August 2013 - 06:15 AM

Famous oxymorons:

Jumbo shrimp

Bureaucratic intelligence

Government efficiency

Huddle serious debate

thank you sir. Today you win.....











At everything!

#13 GSO_Pantherz

GSO_Pantherz

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 941 posts

Posted 12 August 2013 - 06:25 AM

- Reading Comprehension: Make it your friend.

- Is that why we fans coveted Star Lotulelei so much? The fact is a great DT opens the door for DEs and LBs, and makes those around him better. Thus why The Huddle exploded via extreme gratification.

- If you still haven't figured out the difference between a typical run-stuffer and Kris Jenkins, then I'm done with you. A DT of Jenkins' caliber aren't found in every draft like you're apparently suggesting.


We were drooling over Star because we already had two solid defensive ends. Had we been weak at DE instead we wouldn't be clamoring for a DT to make our mediocre DEs better. Put me in the Peppers boat

Side note: I put Peppers and Jenkins into my 'Panthers to forget about' category.

#14 stirs

stirs

    I Reckon So

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,715 posts

Posted 12 August 2013 - 07:00 AM

When I think of both careers, I can only think underacheiver for both. Moreso for Peppers.

don't think either will be HOF material

#15 Doc Holiday

Doc Holiday

    NON FACETE NOBIS CALCITRARE VESTRVM PERINAEVM

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,909 posts

Posted 12 August 2013 - 07:13 AM

When I think of both careers, I can only think underacheiver for both. Moreso for Peppers.

don't think either will be HOF material

Peppers has career wise been the best DE since he entered the league, yeah there's a lot of butt hurt around here since he left which is why this thread is kinda funny. But Peppers is going to be HoF his stats are just too good and he has too many probowls to not be.

Just facts bro live with it, accept it


0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

Shop at Amazon Contact Us: info@carolinahuddle.com