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NY stop-and-frisk policy violated the constitutional rights of minorities


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#13 Zaximus

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 12:18 PM

I would disagree, by saying that I do not believe the intent of the voter ID laws are to discriminate against minorities.

 

Stop and frisk basically spelled it out.

 

Correct.  Its intended purpose is to make it harder and limit options for those who use said services to vote, which just happen to be democrats.  So yeah, the purpose isn't racism, but it's still slimmy and dirty.



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Posted 13 August 2013 - 12:27 PM

Correct.  Its intended purpose is to make it harder and limit options for those who use said services to vote, which just happen to be democrats.  So yeah, the purpose isn't racism, but it's still slimmy and dirty.

 

I don't know if it's any slimier than any other political move. Requiring people actually be who they claim to be isn't such a big deal IMO.



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Posted 13 August 2013 - 12:35 PM

I don't know if it's any slimier than any other political move. Requiring people actually be who they claim to be isn't such a big deal IMO.

 

Yeah because that is ONLY thing included.  



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Posted 13 August 2013 - 12:40 PM

Yeah because that is ONLY thing included.  

 

In my defense, it's the only thing I was talking about.

 

 

All the add-ons are your typical political horseshit, slimy.



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Posted 13 August 2013 - 01:07 PM

Gotcha.  Personally I have more issue with the other things included.  The ID thing by itself, I'm not too upset about, even though it does target certain groups by design, it's probably not insane to want some kind of an ID.



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Posted 13 August 2013 - 01:25 PM

Gotcha.  Personally I have more issue with the other things included.  The ID thing by itself, I'm not too upset about, even though it does target certain groups by design, it's probably not insane to want some kind of an ID.

 

I'm with you, I find it ridiculous that you don't have to show your ID to vote, but I don't want the government wasting time and resources implementing stupid laws.

 

I would have loved to not hear about abortion reform, obamacare, or voter ID until the economy was strengthened and the tax codes whipped into shape.

 

Not even going to talk about real budget cuts, and fixing the stupid debt issues.



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 07:56 AM

I'm with you, I find it ridiculous that you don't have to show your ID to vote, but I don't want the government wasting time and resources implementing stupid laws.

 

 

 

Well considering that voting is a constitutionally protected right and that having an ID isn't a legal requirement....I don't find it ridiculous. 



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 08:01 AM

Stupid policy...especially if they were specifically targeting certain demographics. 



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 08:49 AM

Well considering that voting is a constitutionally protected right and that having an ID isn't a legal requirement....I don't find it ridiculous. 

 

The new law does NOT impact your constitutional right. 

 

The constitutional right is that every eligible citizen has the right to vote.  All the ID requirement does is ensures that this right is only afforded to eligible citizens.



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:03 AM

I understand the arguments about how voter ID may disenfranchise a certain demographic, mainly the poor...

 

What I want to know is how people without ID function in daily life?  Do they not drive?  Do they not get forms and papers from gov't agencies?  Do they not buy alcohol?  Do they not cash checks?

 

 

 

This article makes  a lot of sense...

 

http://www.dailykos....he-Virginia-way

 

 

 



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 09:07 AM

I understand the arguments about how voter ID may disenfranchise a certain demographic, mainly the poor...

 

What I want to know is how people without ID function in daily life?  Do they not drive?  Do they not get forms and papers from gov't agencies?  Do they not buy alcohol?  Do they not cash checks?

 

 

 

This article makes  a lot of sense...

 

http://www.dailykos....he-Virginia-way

 

And......an ID will be provided for them free of charge.

 

Libs can argue that the program does not warrant the additional costs....and that is a valid debate. 

 

But, arguing that the poor will now be disenfranchised and not be able to vote is laughable.  They get a FREE ID....all they have to do is go get it. 

 

Maybe that is just too much work and trouble for them.



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Posted 14 August 2013 - 10:36 AM

i want the id thing to be fully implemented so what is found or NOT found will totally shut up BOTH sides. epic waste of time and money in the mean time.