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#11 GOOGLE RON PAUL

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 02:29 PM

i mean i know that, as you said, you don't have "hours upon hours" to make a coherent argument, but you sure do seem to have quite a few 5 minute periods in which you make a complete ass out of yourself



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Posted 16 August 2013 - 02:36 PM

lol you're such a victim

 

you clearly did not even begin to understand the article. it isn't about white people in general, but the mental gymnastics that a privileged class will undertake to justify and maintain their privilege. meritocracy is fine so long as i'm the one that benefits from it. test scores are an a-ok measure of merit until a group of relative outsiders benefits from it, at which point we should start to consider things like "leadership" or, you know, context

 

the same ppl who argue that equality of opportunity is all that we need, that equality of outcome punishes success, suddenly change their minds once they're not the most privileged group in a given situation.

 

the fact that you immediately made this about asians, and then about me, and then about your own persecution complex, says all that needs to be said about noted scholar pstall
 

 

was the "study' not inherently flawed though? what of the background of the whites that were surveyed?

 

and counter with this. those that currently benefiting from anything from afrim action to title IX would they have anything negative to say about those programs at the moment? probably not.

 

and i didn't make it about you. you do a bang up job making about you. i would venture to guess outside of the internet those that you know you best would be nodding in agreement right now with me.

 

and i said Asians because, umm, gee, I guess because they were in this "study".

 

whats so eureka about people shifting an answer once new info is introduced? what was the context of that introduction? since you like context.

 

and the study IS about white people. the name of the freakin study is "White definitions of merit and admissions. lol. wow dude.

 

 

i think you hate it when you think you have posted something that enlightens us serfs and then we go yeah, we kinda knew that already.

 

are you going to start posting threads that say professional wresting is fake? i don't know if i can survive if that iron curtain is pulled back and we find out this stuff is predetermined.
 



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Posted 16 August 2013 - 02:41 PM

Wait, wait, wait pstall....  pro wrestling is fake?  w    t      f



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Posted 16 August 2013 - 02:42 PM

i mean i know that, as you said, you don't have "hours upon hours" to make a coherent argument, but you sure do seem to have quite a few 5 minute periods in which you make a complete ass out of yourself

 

and i'm the one with the persecution complex? hahaha.

 

didn't see that comment coming either.

 

you entertain me. you really do. you have put so many in a box that you have your ready made retorts and don't even know when your being toyed with.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 02:46 PM

Wait, wait, wait pstall....  pro wrestling is fake?  w    t      f


Silly, it is WWF

#16 GOOGLE RON PAUL

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 02:53 PM

was the "study' not inherently flawed though? what of the background of the whites that were surveyed?

 

they come from a racial group of privilege. i guess in order to accurately interpret the results, you have to actually believe in well-defined things like privilege
 

and counter with this. those that currently benefiting from anything from afrim action to title IX would they have anything negative to say about those programs at the moment? probably not.

 

affirmative action and title ix work to counter the effects of privilege in our society, normalizing outcomes to account for privilege, class, and institutional racism. comparing these programs to actual privilege is a fuging joke. you're not arguing in good faith, instead seeking a "gotcha" moment that's never going to come because (gasp!) you're a moron

 

and i didn't make it about you. you do a bang up job making about you. i would venture to guess outside of the internet those that you know you best would be nodding in agreement right now with me.

 

 

maybe you should stop crying when you don't hear what you want to hear.

 

i know i know. white people devil, white people devil, white people devil. Keep that mantra flag flying.

 

lol this is what makes that long-winded post you made about how smart you are so fuging funny

 

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and i said Asians because, umm, gee, I guess because they were in this "study".

 

 

"why don't we ask the asians what THEY think about meritocracy? why don't we just continue to miss the fuging point?"

 

whats so eureka about people shifting an answer once new info is introduced? what was the context of that introduction? since you like context.

 

"Half were simply asked to assign the importance they thought various criteria should have in the admissions system of the University of California. The other half received a different prompt, one that noted that Asian Americans make up more than twice as many undergraduates proportionally in the UC system as they do in the population of the state."

 

 

and the study IS about white people. the name of the freakin study is "White definitions of merit and admissions. lol. wow dude.
 

 

the study is about privilege and meritocracy

 

in some alternate universe black ppl are the beneficiaries of privilege in bizarro-america and some dude is publishing a paper titled "black definitions of merit and admissions"

 

you take any critique of racial privilege here in america as an attack and hone in on that, completely missing the point. it's because you're not a particularly smart person.

 

i think you hate it when you think you have posted something that enlightens us serfs and then we go yeah, we kinda knew that already.
 

 

and here comes the patented pstall hedge. you instinctively dispute a post because

 

1) it's about privilege and meritocracy here in america

2) i posted

 

but by the end of your post you're claiming "yeah we kinda knew that already"

 

which is it? is it whichever will allow you to save face?

 

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 02:55 PM

ok ok you got me. this is the FIRST time in my life i have ever heard of meritocracy.

 

i feel smarter now. thanks



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Posted 16 August 2013 - 03:03 PM

if this was simply about the privileged, then why even mention white people? so who is hedging here?

 

 

 



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Posted 17 August 2013 - 02:02 PM

because white people do in fact enjoy a degree of privilege here in america, be it in education, the work place, or the justice system.




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