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#31 Kurb

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:05 PM

  
I don't understand the undervaluing of our players when being compared to a SF (Harbaugh) or Denver (Foxy) team. I take it as an excuse from the fans.

Why? We had just as much talents as both of those team. The difference is how the other two coaches were able to utilizes them. Just look at Alex Smith and that poor Denver Broncos Defense/The Golden Calf of Bristol in 2012.

Kurb, you can act like it was just that easy for someone to teach Alex Smith to not poo the bed. But, why did it takes so long? Again, it comes back to the HC (Harbaugh). Why couldnt Rivera teach the running game or his "defense"? And today he's still having problem with it. Poor runnin game and defense is till mediocre.

This 2013 Panthers team is a "win now" team. Not SB contender though.
Playoffs, absoluetly. But, the performances on the field doesn't justify it bc we plays like "poo". It all comes down to Rivera.

 

Not undervaluing anything. The Niners roster top to bottom was better set-up for Harbaugh things than the Panthers roster was set up for Rivera things.

 

Not saying Rivera is better, just saying Harbaugh had a much more complete squad.



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:06 PM

Sherrod Martin and Godfrey IMO are the same caliber players....neither can tackle in the open field both spotty in coverage.   Still think Martin is a better FS than Godfrey and Godfrey the better SS

 

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:14 PM

Just a Guy right now. 

Jury is still out.

 

I say DJ Campbell, being a 7th round pick is at or above where he should be at this stage.



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:18 PM

Great post.



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:31 PM

Not undervaluing anything. The Niners roster top to bottom was better set-up for Harbaugh things than the Panthers roster was set up for Rivera things.

Not saying Rivera is better, just saying Harbaugh had a much more complete squad.


Don't believe it. If you meant Harbaugh switching to a 34 D to benefit the D and Aldon, then maybe I'll play along. But, talent wise we were just as good. For everything they didn't have, we had. For everything we didn't have, they had.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:37 PM

I say DJ Campbell, being a 7th round pick is at or above where he should be at this stage.


That's a fair statement.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:39 PM

  
I don't understand the undervaluing of our players when being compared to a SF (Harbaugh) or Denver (Foxy) team. I take it as an excuse from the fans.

Why? We had just as much talents as both of those team. The difference is how the other two coaches were able to utilizes them. Just look at Alex Smith and that poor Denver Broncos Defense/The Golden Calf of Bristol in 2012.

Kurb, you can act like it was just that easy for someone to teach Alex Smith to not poo the bed. But, why did it takes so long? Again, it comes back to the HC (Harbaugh). Why couldnt Rivera teach the running game or his "defense"? And today he's still having problem with it. Poor runnin game and defense is till mediocre.

This 2013 Panthers team is a "win now" team. Not SB contender though.
Playoffs, absoluetly. But, the performances on the field doesn't justify it bc we plays like "poo". It all comes down to Rivera.

We had just as much talent???  Seriously????

 

What you forget is that in 2010 we blew up the roster dumped many of the vets and had the worst offense in recent NFL history.  Not only did we get rid of many veterans but we didn't have much depth as well.  So to assume that we had as much talent is plain ridiculous.

 

And no we are not a win now team.  it may be that way for Rivera but the Panthers..... Not so much.



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:43 PM

we should have at least three starters on the team right now from the 2009, 2010, and 2011 drafts that are on some other team. some would be young and fresh, some would be several-year vets hitting their prime. we've felt that lack of raw talent the past two years now.

 

i believe gettleman is righting the ship. he hasn't been terribly active in free agency yet, but once we're done with the shitty contracts that've been hanging around our neck i expect he'll couple several excellent drafts with his knack for free agency and assemble a football team that is carries its competitiveness with some sort of continuity for the first time in the existence of the franchise.



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 04:05 PM

Gettleman's pretty much spent the entire off season cleaning up one holy hell of a mess.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 04:08 PM

 HuddleHype.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 06:03 PM

We had just as much talent??? Seriously????

What you forget is that in 2010 we blew up the roster dumped many of the vets and had the worst offense in recent NFL history. Not only did we get rid of many veterans but we didn't have much depth as well. So to assume that we had as much talent is plain ridiculous.

And no we are not a win now team. it may be that way for Rivera but the Panthers..... Not so much.

Yea, you're making excuses to why we sucked and still suck as of today.
Who did we cut? Some aging vets.

All Harbaugh did was drafted Aldon Smith and revolutionized Alex Smith. They were a talented team playing "bad" under a "bad head coach" before Harbaugh arrived. Similar to us in 2011 when RR arrived and still today. We always had talents but Rivera can't do crap. Just like how he and Chud abandoned the running game even when that was the main source. A good coach find ways within the team and plays to it's strength, i.e. Harbaugh.

2011 we had "talents". 2012 we had talents. And even today we have talents. It all comes down to the HC!!!

We are a "win now" team. We are capable of winning 11-12 games this season. We are a potential "playoffs" team today. Anyone who can't see that like you must be blinded and making excuses only!!! The only thing that is going to stop us is "RIVERA". If he can grow some damn nuts, the sky is the limit for us.

( and you really want me to start comparing our players in 2011 to SF/Denver? Don't fool yourself )

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 06:09 PM

Yea, you're making excuses to why we sucked and still suck as of today.
Who did we cut? Some aging vets.

All Harbaugh did was drafted Aldon Smith and revolutionized Alex Smith. They were a talented team playing "bad" under a "bad head coach" before Harbaugh arrived. Similar to us in 2011 when RR arrived and still today. We always had talents but Rivera can't do crap. Just like how he and Chud abandoned the running game even when that was the main source. A good coach find ways within the team and plays to it's strength, i.e. Harbaugh.

2011 we had "talents". 2012 we had talents. And even today we have talents. It all comes down to the HC!!!

We are a "win now" team. We are capable of winning 11-12 games this season. We are a potential "playoffs" team today. Anyone who can't see that like you are just blind and making excuses!!! The only thing that is going to stop us is "RIVERA". If he can grow some damn nuts, the sky is the limit for us.

( and you really want me to start comparing our players in 2011 to SF/Denver? Don't fool yourself )


Please do. I can't wait.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 06:16 PM

you don't know how a draft really is until a few years later. well, that's what we have here.

 

the team has won the games it has the last 2 years DESPITE itself.

 

at the same time, the Panthers have also lost an unusual amount of close game over the last same time period and if a few more td's here or there or the ball bouncing a dif way, it could have changed what we are talking about for today.but wins and losses are how a sports team is judged.

 

does anybody know what Hurney is doing now BTW?



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 06:36 PM

Please do. I can't wait.

 

 

 

Carolina Panthers: 17

QB: Cam Newton

RB: Dwill / Stewart

WR: Steve Smith / LaFell

TE: Olsen / Shockey

O-Line: Gross / Kalil / Wharton

D-Line: CJ / Hardy

LB: Anderson / Connor

DB: Gamble / Godfrey / Captain

ST: Mare / Baker (terrible/not included)

(Edge over SF: QB / RB / WR / TE)

(Edge over Denver: QB / RB / WR / TE/ OL / DL)
 

San Francisco 49ers: 23 (including Kicker/Punter)

QB: Alex Smith

RB: Gore

WR: Crabtree

TE: Davis / Walker

O-Line: Davis, Iupati, Staley, Goodwin

D-Line: Smith / Sopoaga / Jean Francois

LB: Bowman / Willis / Aldon / Brooks

DB: Brown / Rogers / Whitner/ Goldson / Culliver
ST: Akers / Lee
(Edge over Carolina: OL / DL / LB / DB/ ST)

 

Denver Broncos: 15 (including Kicker/Punter)

QB: The Golden Calf of Bristol

RB: McGahee

WR: Thomas / Decker

TE: None

O-Line: Clady / Franklin

D-Line: Dumervil

LB: Miller / Williams

DB: Bailey / Dawkins / Moore / Harris

ST: Prater / Colquitt

(Edge over Carolina: LB / DB / ST)

 



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Posted 21 August 2013 - 07:19 PM

Difference here is the investment of picks and years in the league.


Armanti has been around now for what 4? years? and has done what? He was a second round pick with a multipick investment. That level of investment has to equate to performance on the field. At this point the only way for him to not be a bust is to have a Randall Cobb level impact on the field.

Norman was a 5th round pick investment thrown into a starting job while being a known project. His leash is much much longer. Everyone is so down about him last season because they artificially built him up based on HuddleHype.


Has Armanti really had a chance? I think he's finally getting that chance and making the most of it. Switching positions isn't easy.


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