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micnificent28

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When you throw the ball 20-25 times a game on average, you're a game manager. When you throw the ball 30-40 times a game, you are on a team that is built around throwing the ball. 

 

 

Not arguing whether or not Flacco is a game manager, but using what you are saying Flacco isn't one. He has averaged less than 30 throws a game once and that was his rookie year. His second lowest attempts was 489. Divided by 16 games that's 30.5 throws a game

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Talking about Cam is off topic, but let me say this.  Anyone thinking Cam is going to get a hundred million dollar contract next year or soon afterward with the current resume he has, is fanatical.  For what has been accomplished so far, it would be lenient to give Cam the same contract Drew Brees got when he first came to New Orleans.  A 6 year 60 million dollar deal.  In order to get into the 100 million dollar club, you have to win at least one superbowl.

 

 

With all that said, if Cam has a sub-par year and we go 8-8, I would consider trading Cam next year if I believe I had the opportunity to get a more capable QB.  I love Cam, I'm on record of saying he has the ability of being a surgeon of a QB.  Yet I'm not going to wait 10 years into his career before he becomes one of the best QBs in the league.  Everyone remember Vick's season his first year as starter of the Eagles. (It was either 2010-2011)  Vick had his best year as a QB, and after that Redskins game where he had a perfect game, I said at that point he was the best QB. (Of course he tailed off that year)  The thing is, even if he continued to play like that from then to now, it took him almost 10 years to reach that point.  My fear concerning Cam when we drafted him, was how long it would take him to be a great QB.  I'm not willing to wait that long.

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Not arguing whether or not Flacco is a game manager, but using what you are saying Flacco isn't one. He has averaged less than 30 throws a game once and that was his rookie year. His second lowest attempts was 489. Divided by 16 games that's 30.5 throws a game

 

I was just using general figures, he's on the top end of the measurement, but the offense design still puts Flacco as a game manager and not the featured threat of the offense. 

 

The problem is that people interchange "Game Manager" with "Bad Quarterback" and that's not the case. There are very good game managers and then there are shitty QB's. 

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looking at the gif from last night in your signature, Wes Horton blew up his man to help Keek get in the backfield. If he and Frank can continue to improve, then maybe Hardy would be let go

 

Horton is playing big time this preseason, and he jacks up McKinnie on that play who is a big strong guy. not bad for an UDFA rookie. before the last college season he was projected to be around a 3rd or 4th rounder.

 

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Talking about Cam is off topic, but let me say this.  Anyone thinking Cam is going to get a hundred million dollar contract next year or soon afterward with the current resume he has, is fanatical.  For what has been accomplished so far, it would be lenient to give Cam the same contract Drew Brees got when he first came to New Orleans.  A 6 year 60 million dollar deal.  In order to get into the 100 million dollar club, you have to win at least one superbowl.

 

 

With all that said, if Cam has a sub-par year and we go 8-8, I would consider trading Cam next year if I believe I had the opportunity to get a more capable QB.  I love Cam, I'm on record of saying he has the ability of being a surgeon of a QB.  Yet I'm not going to wait 10 years into his career before he becomes one of the best QBs in the league.  Everyone remember Vick's season his first year as starter of the Eagles. (It was either 2010-2011)  Vick had his best year as a QB, and after that Redskins game where he had a perfect game, I said at that point he was the best QB. (Of course he tailed off that year)  The thing is, even if he continued to play like that from then to now, it took him almost 10 years to reach that point.  My fear concerning Cam when we drafted him, was how long it would take him to be a great QB.  I'm not willing to wait that long.

 

The love child of Joe Montana and Dan Marino would get killed behind our current line. The team record has more to do with the team then just the QB

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I agree trading Hardy would be ideal, but we would have to franchise tag him for that to happen (unless we are talking about trading him before the deadline this year, in which case I think ultimately depends on our record + we likely wouldn't get much in return due to his lack of a long term contract unless a deal was agreed to/in place before trade) and that is a risky road to take.

 

With Star Lotulelei and Kawann Short, both of whom I am already willing to say will be very good defensive tackles (especially Lotulelei, and I am in no way basing this off his preseason game but rather the fact I have always loved him as a player; same with Short and his pass rush ability), even if Hardy isn't asking for too much, I am not sure re-signing him with the rest of the holes we have to fill is the smart move as we would already have a very formidable defensive line.  Sometimes, good players just have to walk  and for the better.

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maybe i read more interviews than you do. where cam states i finally have realized i can't do this by myself. you get into the pros and everybody is on your level. everybody is an all american, everybody has won awards. these are the elite and i can't do it by myself.

 

well zod, i just flat out disagree with you. could he leave? yea it could happen. but it would be at the detriment of this football team imo and i don't think Cam would leave for more money if we have a contender here. Cam is not Hardy.

 

but i'm done with this discussion because this is all speculation and i'm riding a high right now from a great game from our Defense.

 

problem with that logic is Hardy straight up said he isn't worried about money and told fans not to worry that it'll get worked out...  so if you don't believe Hardy then it's hard to believe Cam since all we see are interviews from guys only telling you what you want to hear..

 

and "I can't do this by myself" doesn't necessarily mean he's talking about why he can't leave the Panthers.  Lebron and Dwight Howard come to mind.  That happens too.  "I can't do this by myself" can easily turn into "I need you guys to get your poo together, get me help."

 

Now I think both have different traits that will keep them here and doubt they will leave.  All we can do is see what's being said when that time comes, but at the same time predicting what an athlete could do from interviews is speculative at best.  

 

I wouldn't be shocked to see it happen to any athlete if they stop buying into the system.

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Talking about Cam is off topic, but let me say this.  Anyone thinking Cam is going to get a hundred million dollar contract next year or soon afterward with the current resume he has, is fanatical.  For what has been accomplished so far, it would be lenient to give Cam the same contract Drew Brees got when he first came to New Orleans.  A 6 year 60 million dollar deal.  In order to get into the 100 million dollar club, you have to win at least one superbowl.

 

 

With all that said, if Cam has a sub-par year and we go 8-8, I would consider trading Cam next year if I believe I had the opportunity to get a more capable QB.  I love Cam, I'm on record of saying he has the ability of being a surgeon of a QB.  Yet I'm not going to wait 10 years into his career before he becomes one of the best QBs in the league.  Everyone remember Vick's season his first year as starter of the Eagles. (It was either 2010-2011)  Vick had his best year as a QB, and after that Redskins game where he had a perfect game, I said at that point he was the best QB. (Of course he tailed off that year)  The thing is, even if he continued to play like that from then to now, it took him almost 10 years to reach that point.  My fear concerning Cam when we drafted him, was how long it would take him to be a great QB.  I'm not willing to wait that long.

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problem with that logic is Hardy straight up said he isn't worried about money and told fans not to worry that it'll get worked out...  so if you don't believe Hardy then it's hard to believe Cam since all we see are interviews from guys only telling you what you want to hear..

 

and "I can't do this by myself" doesn't necessarily mean he's talking about why he can't leave the Panthers.  Lebron and Dwight Howard come to mind.  That happens too.  "I can't do this by myself" can easily turn into "I need you guys to get your poo together, get me help."

 

Now I think both have different traits that will keep them here and doubt they will leave.  All we can do is see what's being said when that time comes, but at the same time predicting what an athlete could do from interviews is speculative at best.  

 

I wouldn't be shocked to see it happen to any athlete if they stop buying into the system.

 

those comments were directed towards zod claiming he would be comfortable going to Oakland even without the proper pieces over there.

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Cam is good friends with Jordan. Jordan knows your money is in endorsements not your contract. Cams contract won't be as bad as people think. Will he get paid? Yea but its not going to be record breaking. His money is in his endorsements and endorsements comes with winning. Winning comes with having a team around you.

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It's gonna be an unpopular opinion, but if he demands even a little bit too much money, we should let him walk. In my opinion, Rivera made Hardy. He was a complete headcase, low motor player when he was drafted, and made no signs of improvement before Rivera got a hold of him. I think he would fail on the Raiders, big time, meanwhile we would have no problem filling the hole he leaves with Rivera and Eric Washington's next pass rusher.

well, he played only one year under Fox, coming off the bench.  it isn't  fair to assume Rivera made Hardy.

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