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#25 Zaximus

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:35 AM

It's a good thing Gano has looked solid, because with this crappy offense we'll be kicking a lot of FGs.

 

Oline was terrible, and Cam was overthrowing, I'd probably put blame 66% oline and 33% on Cam for our troubles.  I can't blame Cam for not finding people open since we had ZERO run game but when someone WAS open and it overthrows, come on.  LaFell and Gettis with clear drops too.

 

Defense was awesome and fun to watch.  One thing I noticed is now that we have some DL depth we're able to have some better rotations in there.



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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:38 AM

Rising: Richard Rogers. As special teams coordinator he has put together what looks like could be the best special teams unit in many seasons.


I'd include Bruce DeHaven in that.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:44 AM

he missed TWO fuging throws. 3 people dropped passes.



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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:45 AM

Rising: Richard Rogers. As special teams coordinator he has put together what looks like could be the best special teams unit in many seasons.

 

i would say that rogers benefitted from bruce dehaven being his asst. coach/mentor. dehaven is pretty much a legend in the special teams world.

 

dehaven is far more qualified to be the STs coach. i'm not sure if dehaven was brought in to mentor  rogers or to be the back up plan in case rogers didn't work out. maybe both.

 

that said, when i found out that dehaven was coming here i knew we were in for a boon to our special teams. he is by far the best coach we've had on special teams that i can remember us ever having.

 

bills team site has a good bio on him and his accomplishments: http://www.buffalobi...56-eb043b5d78dd

 

ginn was another great addition as well, but i think that dehaven is the guy that will help us more than anything on STs this year. i don't think that rogers is a scrub, btw. i think we were better when he took over last year, but there's no doubt in my mind that dehaven will make rogers better.



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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:47 AM

Gano has won us all over somehow. Not one poster was content with him at the start of the offseason, but the man has some serious leg.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 10:55 AM

star, kk, alexander...all risers in my mind. all three of those guys looked good.

 

i liked the secondary as well. they were very opportunistic and really took advantage of the pressure applied by the defensive front which is exactly what they should be doing.

 

beason looked good in the little bit he was out there. i was a bit nbervous for him, but he seemed to be able to jump right back into the action.

 

shula scares me. that offense last night was supposed to be a glimpse into what we should expect for the team. defense and special teams looked great in every aspect. the offense....not so much. i know that the OL presented a lot of problems, but shula seemed unable to adjust. i have this feeling that my concerns about him and in-game management will be justified. i have seen nothing to make me feel like my doubts about his abilities as a play-caller will be wrong, and i'm not happy. the offense was predictable. the offense didn't have their poo together. individual players need to step up. gettleman needs to get OL help and be aggressive with getting it once cuts start coming in, but on the whole shula needs to get his offense clicking. he needs to get them better prepared and better managed while the game is being played. i know that the players like him and respect him, but if he can't manage a better game than that those players in his corner will only be there out of obligation. the respect will dissipate.



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Posted 23 August 2013 - 11:35 AM

star, kk, alexander...all risers in my mind. all three of those guys looked good.

i liked the secondary as well. they were very opportunistic and really took advantage of the pressure applied by the defensive front which is exactly what they should be doing.

beason looked good in the little bit he was out there. i was a bit nbervous for him, but he seemed to be able to jump right back into the action.

shula scares me. that offense last night was supposed to be a glimpse into what we should expect for the team. defense and special teams looked great in every aspect. the offense....not so much. i know that the OL presented a lot of problems, but shula seemed unable to adjust. i have this feeling that my concerns about him and in-game management will be justified. i have seen nothing to make me feel like my doubts about his abilities as a play-caller will be wrong, and i'm not happy. the offense was predictable. the offense didn't have their poo together. individual players need to step up. gettleman needs to get OL help and be aggressive with getting it once cuts start coming in, but on the whole shula needs to get his offense clicking. he needs to get them better prepared and better managed while the game is being played. i know that the players like him and respect him, but if he can't manage a better game than that those players in his corner will only be there out of obligation. the respect will dissipate.


But I have a question....

Why was Shula's offense last night suppose to be a glimpse of what is to come.

2011 and 2012 didn't show glimpses of what our offense would be? We have the same HC and scheme....so why suddenly in 2013 is he suppose to do it different?

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 11:52 AM

I guess another question after watching last nights game was the defense playing vanilla and being in beast mode, and was the offense doing the same and looked like chit!

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 03:12 PM

But I have a question....

Why was Shula's offense last night suppose to be a glimpse of what is to come.

2011 and 2012 didn't show glimpses of what our offense would be? We have the same HC and scheme....so why suddenly in 2013 is he suppose to do it different?

 

because it's going to be with a different mentality. that's one thing that they were harping on. shula was supposed to be leveling things out and streamlining things. he was supposed to be bringing in a more conventional offense.
 

and because this was his first experience managing a game with some sort of game plan set in place. this was a glimpse of what a shula run/managed offense would look like. 2011 and 2012 showed what we are capable of...good and bad, but that was with a different guy calling the plays and managing the show. i don't care if it's the same playbook with the same personnel. the guy calling the plays can make it run better or worse. his decisions can effect in a big way what we do on offense.

 

we thought we knew what to expect going into 2012 based on what we saw in 2011, but we saw for the first half of a season was quite different than what we saw. same OC. same key players. same QB. same playbook. things change from year to year, esp. with a new OC managing the offense and calling the plays.

 

for better or worse, this offense is going to be managed differently than it was with chud.



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Posted 23 August 2013 - 05:16 PM

K Gano and P Nortman have been excellent so far. Remember, this was a major question mark coming into the season.



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Posted 23 August 2013 - 06:10 PM

I add Horton to the risers list, I think we have a good 4th DE with him.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 07:21 PM

I add Horton to the risers list, I think we have a good 4th DE with him.

Addison is our 4th DE and yes, we have 4 good DE's. Horton might just make the practice squad. He's is what we don't have; an outside speed rusher.