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Barner over Williams

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Williams - .5 yards per carry

Barner - 3.5 yards per carry

Yeah, I am way off base.

Zod .. come on now .. really?

You've seen dude in 3 preseason games against mostly second and third string defenses ..

didn't expect a post like this from you ..

unless..

you're trolling?

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Zod .. come on now .. really?

You've seen dude in 3 preseason games against mostly second and third string defenses ..

didn't expect a post like this from you ..

unless..

you're trolling?

 

Nope. I feel Barner can get more behind a bad offensive line than Deangelo, as shown last night.

 

Deangelo may be a better back given adequate space, but he isn't getting that anytime soon.

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I think some of you are missing the point.

DWill is *clearly* the more talented back and he's the better back if he has any blocking at all.

The question is a worse back with a better style for playing behind a shitty OL a better option to be playing right now. The net worth might be higher in spite of the lower actual value of the player.

this logic is incredibly flawed .. wow

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DeAngelo was running behind our 1st team o-line, Barner ran behind the 2nd right? Yeah I know, our 1st is better than the second, but my point is; with Barner running behind our 2nd and running against their 2nd isn't really a fair comparision. But I do agree with the accessment of how they both run. Barner hits the hole or crack a lot quicker that D Will.

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this logic is incredibly flawed .. wow

 

Go rewatch the game and notice how much faster Barner gets to the LOS than Dwill does.

 

It is absolutely the case.

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DeAngelo was running behind our 1st team o-line, Barner ran behind the 2nd right? Yeah I know, our 1st is better than the second, but my point is; with Barner running behind our 2nd and running against their 2nd isn't really a fair comparision. But I do agree with the accessment of how they both run. Barner hits the hole or crack a lot quicker that D Will.

 

Barner ran behind first string O-Line

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Barner ran behind first string O-Line

O okay, I thought it was the  2nd, at least he didn't fumble any. I hope that we can pick up a quality o-lineman after the upcoming cuts. Heck, Wharton will be better that what we've got.

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This thread is a damn joke. #28 was phenomenal when he became the starter behind that oline last year right, CRA? It is as if #34's performance after Stewart went down didn't happen. This anybody should start other than DeAngelo Williams is too tired. You all can't even wait for the season to begin before turning the keys over to a rookie who has shortcomings as well. But that doesn't matter tho. Because anybody, including Tolbert, are better options the #34. Barner had a Seam and picked up some yards and that is enough proof for Zod to create this thread. Gtfoh!!!!

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this logic is incredibly flawed .. wow

 

It's not, really.

 

DWill is very talented and given any form of OL play other than "derp just stand there gaiz" he will gain more yards.  The thing is he's a smart, patient runner who wants to let his blocks develop and pick his hole.  Behind an OL that is not developing blocks or generating holes this type of runner generates low to no yards per carry because they're stopped in the backfield or pushing just to get back to the line of scrimmage.  Add to this that DWill is not as fast as he was as a rookie (who is?) and you have a bad situation for a very talentd RB.

 

In Barner you have a young guy, very fast, without the patience to let a block develop who runs as hard as he can (which is pretty hard) at the first sliver of daylight he sees.  Behind an OL that is not developing blocks and not generating holes this might be the ONLY daylight you see and it must be seized.  In this situation the type of runner who is normally flawed by not having patience might be a better choice exactly because of that stylistic difference that we normally consider a flaw.

 

This may or may not end up being the case depending on how things turn out but the logic in suggesting it MIGHT be the way to do things is not flawed in any way.  Especially based on what we've see.

 

And for the record noone that I see is suggesting that Barner is the better / more talented back. Just that he's the one that might gain the most yards with the poo OL we have.

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I don't care about who is the best RB

 

I care who is the best RB for the Panthers

 

 

When you factor in money, talent, oline, etc

 

Barner and Tolbert make the most sense

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