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#31 YourManInAmsterdam

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 08:50 AM

I am worried we may not see J-Stew this season.

 

This is what I'm most afraid of when it comes to the running game given the O-Line woes.

 

Having both healthy and Cam as a running threat is about the only thing that makes for a complete backfield.  J-Stew and D-Will are both very one-sided backs.  Always have been.

 

Given things as they are, Tolbert may actually have more success.  Barner, maybe.  He needs experience, and boy, it looks like he's gonna get it.



#32 mwright350

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 08:50 AM

I think this ends up being a twofold decision.

 

It's no disrespect to DWill because with a halfway fug-worthy OL he's a WAY better back, BUT!  Barner, by virtue of his young bullheaded "hit the first hole as hard as you can" style will gain more yards behind the piss poor one we have.  This will earn him more carries than he might have received if we had said fug-worthy OL.

 

Trick is DWill is the better pass protector and we DO have that piss poor OL.  DWill will have to still get enough carries that him being in doesn't scream "yo they're passing" so the probably outcome is roughly the same split that DWill and JStew had when we weren't trying to force one of them to be the "starter"



#33 dksmith17

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 08:51 AM

We should start collecting money and send Zod to scouting classes or something



#34 Kevin Greene

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:22 AM

DWill/Stew<anybody else.

 

An argument as old as the chicken vs the egg on the Huddle

Same answer, Hurney stupidity gave DWill a contract any player in the NFL would gladly sign.

The Panthers will continue to try and get some value out of our previously brain dead GM's contracts given to DWill and DStew.

Patience is the only answer until this albatross is raised from the Offenses' backs (pun intended).

Barner is a specialist, and must be put in situations he can succeed in, the rest of the RB corp must do their part.



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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:26 AM

Hear me out. Our oline is so bad we should rest cam this year and start Jimmy. What happened the last time we started Jimmy? We got Cam. This year we get Clowney. Trade hardy and 2014 dare I say it. Super Bowl

#36 carolina-chuck

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:28 AM



Is Barner a better option behind a god awful offensive line? Maybe so.


SMH

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:34 AM

Gain positive yards consistently.

 

Come on dude.  You have seen a lot of NFL games.  Who was going to gain yards against some of those penetrations last night? Barry Sanders and um.no one else.   Yeah Barner may have had a few more positive yard plays, but to say it was because of Barner skills and not because of the defense?  No one but Cam was going to run anywhere that night.  There were 0 holes.  Not to the outside or inside.  Look at that third and 1 play,  There were 3 Ravens within 1 yard of the handoff.  

 

The line was so bad last night, when we ran a screen play it looked like the regular offensive line blocking scheme.  If there were legitimate holes and Williams just wasn't hitting them I would be all for putting in whomever ran better.  But that is simply not the case.



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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:37 AM

I have been waiting for Barner to take over a game before I said it. I have hinted at running with Tolbert, Barner, and Poole this season. Rip the bandaid off these bad contracts.

 

They are all better screen RB's then our starters too



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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:45 AM

Williams - .5 yards per carry

Barner - 3.5 yards per carry

 

 

Yeah, I am way off base.



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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:47 AM

I think some of you are missing the point.

 

DWill is *clearly* the more talented back and he's the better back if he has any blocking at all.

 

The question is a worse back with a better style for playing behind a shitty OL a better option to be playing right now.  The net worth might be higher in spite of the lower actual value of the player.



#41 xtheronx

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:48 AM

Williams - .5 yards per carry
Barner - 3.5 yards per carry


Yeah, I am way off base.


Zod .. come on now .. really?

You've seen dude in 3 preseason games against mostly second and third string defenses ..

didn't expect a post like this from you ..

unless..

you're trolling?

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:50 AM

Zod .. come on now .. really?

You've seen dude in 3 preseason games against mostly second and third string defenses ..

didn't expect a post like this from you ..

unless..

you're trolling?

 

Nope. I feel Barner can get more behind a bad offensive line than Deangelo, as shown last night.

 

Deangelo may be a better back given adequate space, but he isn't getting that anytime soon.



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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:50 AM

I think some of you are missing the point.

DWill is *clearly* the more talented back and he's the better back if he has any blocking at all.

The question is a worse back with a better style for playing behind a shitty OL a better option to be playing right now. The net worth might be higher in spite of the lower actual value of the player.


this logic is incredibly flawed .. wow

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:53 AM

DeAngelo was running behind our 1st team o-line, Barner ran behind the 2nd right? Yeah I know, our 1st is better than the second, but my point is; with Barner running behind our 2nd and running against their 2nd isn't really a fair comparision. But I do agree with the accessment of how they both run. Barner hits the hole or crack a lot quicker that D Will.



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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:53 AM

this logic is incredibly flawed .. wow

 

Go rewatch the game and notice how much faster Barner gets to the LOS than Dwill does.

 

It is absolutely the case.





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