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Ivan The Awesome

Cam and his accuracy issues.

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Quite frankly. I think you're uninformed, and working off outdated/unfounded suppositions.

You're basing your entire premise on WHAT YOU THINK CAM WAS (based off of incorrect assumptions by uninformed media) that what he actually is.

The Panthers weren't the only team that thought Cam would be a number one pick, and much more polished than most of the people that never saw him were babbling.

Trust me when I tell you, all the top drafting teams, including Buffalo would have drafted Cam number one. The Film proved the type of passer he was in college. His coaches from high school to College, corroborated his worth ethic, leadership and likability. This was corroborated by several independent scouting reports, and passing GM comments. NFL executives knew this. Unfortunately, broadcast media did not (or care to report it).

More importantly, his play in the NFL has been much more impressive (in my opinion) that all the other Rookie QB's for many reasons. I don't think RG3, and Kaepernick are polished at all the way Cam is. They just play in offenses, where they don't have to make patient decisions, and are engineered to throw to spots on timing, and rely on their running game. The responsibility, doesn't fall upon them, the way it does with Cam. When these guys have to work out of a conventional pocket, they can't happy feet. With Luck, we already know he's not terribly accurate, which is why his coaches want to rely more on the run game this year, and shorten his passes. Quite frankly, I don't know what you're watching/saying.

Put any of those guys, on the Panthers the past two year, and let's see how "polished" they really are in comparison to Newton.

It's one thing to say Cam is not the most accurate QB in the NFL. Okay, fine. But would you say that about Luck, who's much more inaccurate (and doesn't throw down field as far, as often as Newton last year)? More importantly, that doesn't make him the worst, or unpolished (especially relative to his experience), especially when those other QB's have better run games, and coaches to rely on. They also play in different style offenses, and aren't ask to do as much for their teams as Cam.

Even Wilson, was spoon fed early in the season, until he developed/got comfortable later in the year. Before the Redskins started winning, many Skins fans, complained Griffin was running a high school offense, that was stunting his growth. On the contrary, Cam walked into the league already ready/performing. So quite frankly, I don't know what the hell you're talking about, with all this "Project" talk. Do you not have eyes (or just your suppositions)?

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I would just like to understand why, to the Cam Nut Bashers, a guy who was less accurate than Cam last year (54% to 58%), scored only one more TD than Cam (28 to 27), had a much lower yards per attempt (7.0 to 8.0), and had 8 more turnovers than Cam (23 to 15) is, in their minds, a "much more accomplished quarterback" than Cam.

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I would just like to understand why, to the Cam Nut Bashers, a guy who was less accurate than Cam last year (54% to 58%), scored only one more TD than Cam (28 to 27), had a much lower yards per attempt (7.0 to 8.0), and had 8 more turnovers than Cam (23 to 15) is, in their minds, a "much more accomplished quarterback" than Cam.

 

Because Luck is "the greatest prospect since John Elway". Anything positive that Luck does is magnified in order to support his billing as the "can't-miss quarterback" and the fans buy into this.

 

 

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/feature/video/_/page/allaboutluck/ultimate-scouting-report

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I would just like to understand why, to the Cam Nut Bashers, a guy who was less accurate than Cam last year (54% to 58%), scored only one more TD than Cam (28 to 27), had a much lower yards per attempt (7.0 to 8.0), and had 8 more turnovers than Cam (23 to 15) is, in their minds, a "much more accomplished quarterback" than Cam.

I don't understand it, either. You kill any type of an argument you have when you include Luck in the conversation, and then spew, "why can't Cam be an accurate passer like Luck?" In Cam's rookie season, he completed the ball at a 60% clip and Luck at a dismal 54.1%. Just doesnt make any sense.
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Yes I do. One of Russell's pick the other night was a big overthrow. Luck misses guys down field consistently which had just as much to do with his comp% as did drops or o-line issues. The fact that Luck struggled so much is why they changed their offense going into this season to more of a west coast style rather than vertical passing. RG3 rarely threw more than 10 yards from LOS unless they were taking a shot down field. When he did he missed often.

It all comes down to your definition of accuracy. If by accuracy you mean never missing a throw then yeah I guess he has accuracy problems. But by that measure so does every NFL QB that has ever played.

What I meant by accuracy is Cam sailing passes and missing receivers. Not accuracy in general. not percentage of completion, bc thats great with what Cam have accomplish in two years. I'm talking about his fundamentals. We all know that Cam can put the ball in the reciever's hands, but too many times the man make simple mistakes. If Cam can improve the fundamental parts of his game, the sky is the limit for him.

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I'm not even going to include the guys like Brady, Manning, and Brees. I'm comparing him to the young QBs like Luck, RG3, Kaep, and Wilson. You dont see those guys sailing passes and missing open receivers on a consistent basis.

 

Fans blame the lack of receivers and oline. If the receivers werent open, I wouldnt be complaining. I'd be complaining the receivers (LaFail) on another thread about not being open enough. The problem is when they are opened, he's missing them. Just like Thursday night, just like the bad throw to wide open Hartsock in the endzone vs. Seattle last season, and so on.

 

Andrew Luck could only hope to be as accurate as Cam...Is he up to 55% yet?

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Andrew Luck could only hope to be as accurate as Cam...Is he up to 55% yet?

 

lol that was actually funny cause it's so true.

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Cam needs to work on his short game...

I don't think he is inaccurate mid to deep. Just your standard misfires that all QBs make...

As far as the other young QBs go (excluding Luck), the others weren't asked to go out and make the tough throws all game each week like Newton was (and that started as a rookie)

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lol that was actually funny cause it's so true.

 

You go around the internet and you would swear that Andrew Luck had Aaaron Rodger's numbers by the way people talk about him.

 

The question is why is Brandon Weedon fighting for his job when his QB rating is in "Andrew Luck terriority"?

 

But as someone has already pointed out: the media is so invested in Luck being great that he would have to consistently have Sanchez stats for 5 years and his team would have to start losing. Even if he has Mark's stats...the media will declare his place in the HOF secure.

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Cam needs to work on his short game...

I don't think he is inaccurate mid to deep. Just your standard misfires that all QBs make...

As far as the other young QBs go (excluding Luck), the others weren't asked to go out and make the tough throws all game each week like Newton was (and that started as a rookie)

 

I have noticed this too. I can't claim to be a NFL QB expert but it just seems like a lot of the elite QBs make far more throws to wide open WR than ones that require tremendous timing and touch. Of course they make those throws all the time but 6/10 completions are to guys that have a lot of space and maybe 2/10 are what I would call difficult.

 

Cam, in my opinion, attempts far too many of these difficult passes. Is it the system? Or Cam? Or the plays being called?

 

Peyton Manning seems to be interested in getting the ball to his play makers and letting them work. Our offense seems to be interested in Cam making plays.

 

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Peyton Manning seems to be interested in getting the ball to his play makers and letting them work. Our offense seems to be interested in Cam making plays.

Bc Manning and Brady can spread the ball quickly.

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Cam needs to work on his short game...

I don't think he is inaccurate mid to deep. Just your standard misfires that all QBs make...

As far as the other young QBs go (excluding Luck), the others weren't asked to go out and make the tough throws all game each week like Newton was (and that started as a rookie)

 

 

Agreed.

 

I would like to see a mixture. 

 

Working the short games at times, for a while. Then Boom!! Hit em with the bomb or longer intermediate throw. Other times, come out with the bomb, or end zone throw on the first play of the drive, catching the defense off guard. At other times, run the hurry up offense, etc. 

 

The Panthers just have to keep the defense guessing in all type of ways, and running the plays/throws that are working, can't be stopped in a game, instead of doing what the "Know it all" OC wants to do. 

 

I hope to see that this year. Just throw it where the defenders "Ain't". Lol

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