Jump to content


Photo
* * * * * 2 votes

Cam and his accuracy issues.


Best Answer teeray, 25 August 2013 - 01:10 AM

Also will add that Cam is very accurate, even with pressure when he steps up in the pocket. The Ravens did a good job of getting interior push which at times forces Cam to throw flat footed or off his back foot. All QBs will struggle with accuracy when that happens.

As a matter of fact Cam is so strong he can get away with doing that more than most other QBs in the league.

The two things I really would like to see Cam improve on is making quicker decisions and sliding left or right inside the pocket. Both of those things will come as he gets more experience.

People should also realize that even though this will be his third season he is still a little green. Go to the full post


  • Please log in to reply
168 replies to this topic

#136 AggieLean.

AggieLean.

    SENIOR HUDDLER

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,180 posts
  • LocationChattanooga, TN via Winston-Salem, NC

Posted 25 August 2013 - 06:38 PM

I would just like to understand why, to the Cam Nut Bashers, a guy who was less accurate than Cam last year (54% to 58%), scored only one more TD than Cam (28 to 27), had a much lower yards per attempt (7.0 to 8.0), and had 8 more turnovers than Cam (23 to 15) is, in their minds, a "much more accomplished quarterback" than Cam.

I don't understand it, either. You kill any type of an argument you have when you include Luck in the conversation, and then spew, "why can't Cam be an accurate passer like Luck?" In Cam's rookie season, he completed the ball at a 60% clip and Luck at a dismal 54.1%. Just doesnt make any sense.

#137 carolina-chuck

carolina-chuck

    HORNETS 2014

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 17,150 posts
  • LocationKurby

Posted 25 August 2013 - 06:38 PM

Yes I do. One of Russell's pick the other night was a big overthrow. Luck misses guys down field consistently which had just as much to do with his comp% as did drops or o-line issues. The fact that Luck struggled so much is why they changed their offense going into this season to more of a west coast style rather than vertical passing. RG3 rarely threw more than 10 yards from LOS unless they were taking a shot down field. When he did he missed often.

It all comes down to your definition of accuracy. If by accuracy you mean never missing a throw then yeah I guess he has accuracy problems. But by that measure so does every NFL QB that has ever played.


What I meant by accuracy is Cam sailing passes and missing receivers. Not accuracy in general. not percentage of completion, bc thats great with what Cam have accomplish in two years. I'm talking about his fundamentals. We all know that Cam can put the ball in the reciever's hands, but too many times the man make simple mistakes. If Cam can improve the fundamental parts of his game, the sky is the limit for him.

#138 mcdougal

mcdougal

    MEMBER

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 636 posts

Posted 25 August 2013 - 06:49 PM

I'm not even going to include the guys like Brady, Manning, and Brees. I'm comparing him to the young QBs like Luck, RG3, Kaep, and Wilson. You dont see those guys sailing passes and missing open receivers on a consistent basis.

 

Fans blame the lack of receivers and oline. If the receivers werent open, I wouldnt be complaining. I'd be complaining the receivers (LaFail) on another thread about not being open enough. The problem is when they are opened, he's missing them. Just like Thursday night, just like the bad throw to wide open Hartsock in the endzone vs. Seattle last season, and so on.

 

Andrew Luck could only hope to be as accurate as Cam...Is he up to 55% yet?



#139 IGSaint

IGSaint

    Junior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 909 posts

Posted 25 August 2013 - 06:50 PM

Andrew Luck could only hope to be as accurate as Cam...Is he up to 55% yet?

 

lol that was actually funny cause it's so true.



#140 CRA

CRA

    Senior Member

  • Moderators
  • 23,898 posts

Posted 25 August 2013 - 06:51 PM

Cam needs to work on his short game...

I don't think he is inaccurate mid to deep. Just your standard misfires that all QBs make...

As far as the other young QBs go (excluding Luck), the others weren't asked to go out and make the tough throws all game each week like Newton was (and that started as a rookie)

#141 mcdougal

mcdougal

    MEMBER

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 636 posts

Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:05 PM

lol that was actually funny cause it's so true.

 

You go around the internet and you would swear that Andrew Luck had Aaaron Rodger's numbers by the way people talk about him.

 

The question is why is Brandon Weedon fighting for his job when his QB rating is in "Andrew Luck terriority"?

 

But as someone has already pointed out: the media is so invested in Luck being great that he would have to consistently have Sanchez stats for 5 years and his team would have to start losing. Even if he has Mark's stats...the media will declare his place in the HOF secure.



#142 mcdougal

mcdougal

    MEMBER

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 636 posts

Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:11 PM

Cam needs to work on his short game...

I don't think he is inaccurate mid to deep. Just your standard misfires that all QBs make...

As far as the other young QBs go (excluding Luck), the others weren't asked to go out and make the tough throws all game each week like Newton was (and that started as a rookie)

 

I have noticed this too. I can't claim to be a NFL QB expert but it just seems like a lot of the elite QBs make far more throws to wide open WR than ones that require tremendous timing and touch. Of course they make those throws all the time but 6/10 completions are to guys that have a lot of space and maybe 2/10 are what I would call difficult.

 

Cam, in my opinion, attempts far too many of these difficult passes. Is it the system? Or Cam? Or the plays being called?

 

Peyton Manning seems to be interested in getting the ball to his play makers and letting them work. Our offense seems to be interested in Cam making plays.
 



#143 carolina-chuck

carolina-chuck

    HORNETS 2014

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 17,150 posts
  • LocationKurby

Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:17 PM


Peyton Manning seems to be interested in getting the ball to his play makers and letting them work. Our offense seems to be interested in Cam making plays.


Bc Manning and Brady can spread the ball quickly.

#144 FootballMaestro

FootballMaestro

    SENIOR HUDDLER

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,025 posts

Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:23 PM

Cam needs to work on his short game...

I don't think he is inaccurate mid to deep. Just your standard misfires that all QBs make...

As far as the other young QBs go (excluding Luck), the others weren't asked to go out and make the tough throws all game each week like Newton was (and that started as a rookie)

 

 

Agreed.

 

I would like to see a mixture. 

 

Working the short games at times, for a while. Then Boom!! Hit em with the bomb or longer intermediate throw. Other times, come out with the bomb, or end zone throw on the first play of the drive, catching the defense off guard. At other times, run the hurry up offense, etc. 

 

The Panthers just have to keep the defense guessing in all type of ways, and running the plays/throws that are working, can't be stopped in a game, instead of doing what the "Know it all" OC wants to do. 

 

I hope to see that this year. Just throw it where the defenders "Ain't". Lol



#145 FootballMaestro

FootballMaestro

    SENIOR HUDDLER

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,025 posts

Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:26 PM

I have noticed this too. I can't claim to be a NFL QB expert but it just seems like a lot of the elite QBs make far more throws to wide open WR than ones that require tremendous timing and touch. Of course they make those throws all the time but 6/10 completions are to guys that have a lot of space and maybe 2/10 are what I would call difficult.

 

Cam, in my opinion, attempts far too many of these difficult passes. Is it the system? Or Cam? Or the plays being called?

 

Peyton Manning seems to be interested in getting the ball to his play makers and letting them work. Our offense seems to be interested in Cam making plays.
 

 

-Part of that is the Panthers scheme (they don't trick the defense well enough)

-Part of it's the Panthers (receivers don't get open, enough separation). 

-And part of it's Cam (not seeing the open receiver soon enough, or forcing it to a complaining, but double covered Steve Smith). 

 

Hopefully, the offense, receivers, and Cam will all bet better at this the upcoming season. 



#146 Mr. Scot

Mr. Scot

    Football Historian

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 36,765 posts
  • LocationSC

Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:45 PM

I think it's more correct to say he has a consistency problem, but that has a lot to do with the type of QB he is.

Have said it before: Newton's never going to be a pinpoint accurate passer like Drew Brees or Tom Brady. Rather, like Brett Favre, he's going to tend toward a mix of "holy cow" and "what the $@&%". You'll see him within the same game make passes with laser accuracy followed up by passes that look like he threw with his eyes closed. Favre did it his entire career.

You can't coach that kind of thing out of a natural gunslinger. Nor should you try. That inner confidence that results in the occasional "oh no" is also what produces all those moments of "oh yeah".

Me? I'm okay with that.

Brett Favre and John Elway both got Super Bowl rings playing that way. Jake Delhomme came pretty darn close. You can win with a guy who's more daredevil than surgeon as long as you understand that's who he is and build your offense appropriately around him.

#147 chubs2496

chubs2496

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,185 posts

Posted 25 August 2013 - 11:55 PM

I think it's more correct to say he has a consistency problem, but that has a lot to do with the type of QB he is.

Have said it before: Newton's never going to be a pinpoint accurate passer like Drew Brees or Tom Brady. Rather, like Brett Favre, he's going to tend toward a mix of "holy cow" and "what the $@&%". You'll see him within the same game make passes with laser accuracy followed up by passes that look like he threw with his eyes closed. Favre did it his entire career.

You can't coach that kind of thing out of a natural gunslinger. Nor should you try. That inner confidence that results in the occasional "oh no" is also what produces all those moments of "oh yeah".

Me? I'm okay with that.

Brett Favre and John Elway both got Super Bowl rings playing that way. Jake Delhomme came pretty darn close. You can win with a guy who's more daredevil than surgeon as long as you understand that's who he is and build your offense appropriately around him.


We'll said.

#148 FootballMaestro

FootballMaestro

    SENIOR HUDDLER

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,025 posts

Posted 26 August 2013 - 06:49 AM

I think it's more correct to say he has a consistency problem, but that has a lot to do with the type of QB he is.

Have said it before: Newton's never going to be a pinpoint accurate passer like Drew Brees or Tom Brady. Rather, like Brett Favre, he's going to tend toward a mix of "holy cow" and "what the $@&%". You'll see him within the same game make passes with laser accuracy followed up by passes that look like he threw with his eyes closed. Favre did it his entire career.

You can't coach that kind of thing out of a natural gunslinger. Nor should you try. That inner confidence that results in the occasional "oh no" is also what produces all those moments of "oh yeah".

Me? I'm okay with that.

Brett Favre and John Elway both got Super Bowl rings playing that way. Jake Delhomme came pretty darn close. You can win with a guy who's more daredevil than surgeon as long as you understand that's who he is and build your offense appropriately around him.

 

Good points.

 

The only this is; we don't know if he can be "a surgeon" like Brees, Brady" and manning are now, until he has adequate protection and a few more years in the league. So let's not automatically write him off yet (though I know you're saying he's good enough NOW as is). I get that. 

 

Remember, Drew Brees bounced around the league initially. Brady didn't start right away, and Manning had a boatload of INT's his Rookie year. But they all got better. Cam claims he wants to be the best, and works hard. So Maybe he'll do the same? We also can't forget both Manning, and Brady look horrible with out adequate protection and schemes. Cam at least needs a good, consistent O Line, to help his inner "surgeon-like" ability blossom as well. . 

 

 

We'll see?



#149 FootballMaestro

FootballMaestro

    SENIOR HUDDLER

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,025 posts

Posted 26 August 2013 - 06:55 AM

Isn't it ironic, that Washington, Seattle, and San Francisco ran more running than passing plays in 2012, but everyone in the media always discusses their QB's first, when their not even the first option on offense? SMH

 

Things that make you go hummh?



#150 Fiz

Fiz

    SENIOR HUDDLER

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 10,846 posts

Posted 26 August 2013 - 07:41 AM

I always like pointing out cam is like the third tallest qb in the league throwing to maybe the shortest number one wr.

I don't know if that has an effect but it definitely makes not great throws look worse.


0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

Contact Us: info@carolinahuddle.com - IP Content Design by Joshua Tree / TitansReport.