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Cam and his accuracy issues.


Best Answer teeray, 25 August 2013 - 01:10 AM

Also will add that Cam is very accurate, even with pressure when he steps up in the pocket. The Ravens did a good job of getting interior push which at times forces Cam to throw flat footed or off his back foot. All QBs will struggle with accuracy when that happens.

As a matter of fact Cam is so strong he can get away with doing that more than most other QBs in the league.

The two things I really would like to see Cam improve on is making quicker decisions and sliding left or right inside the pocket. Both of those things will come as he gets more experience.

People should also realize that even though this will be his third season he is still a little green. Go to the full post


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#76 Ivan The Awesome

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 01:59 AM

Also will add that Cam is very accurate, even with pressure when he steps up in the pocket. The Ravens did a good job of getting interior push which at times forces Cam to throw flat footed or off his back foot. All QBs will struggle with accuracy when that happens.

As a matter of fact Cam is so strong he can get away with doing that more than most other QBs in the league.

The two things I really would like to see Cam improve on is making quicker decisions and sliding left or right inside the pocket. Both of those things will come as he gets more experience.

People should also realize that even though this will be his third season he is still a little green.


Can't believe I missed this post. You sir, are correct..I agree.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 02:00 AM

I merely pointed out that Jake had less to work with. The deciding factor was the o line. Which was far better than what we have now. On a side note, you really need to stop reading too much into what I say bro.

 

Jake had a Steve Smith in his effing prime. Less to work with my left nut.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 02:03 AM

Wat? Fp.. dude. O.o

I'm dead serious. I actually went looking into this as part of the QB stuff I did with my metric, and the more I explored the topic the more it became apparent that the performance deviation between "clutch" and "non-clutch" events for any player was too insignificant to be statistically meaningful. A player that performed 5% better than an average player would often be labeled as clutch even though that difference in performance was entirely within the margin of error.

Furthermore, truly dominant players were often penalized by having a small sample size of clutch events and performing slightly below the norm in them, thereby skewing their "clutch" factor significantly in a menial sense but entirely irrelevant statistically.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 02:03 AM

Jake had a Steve Smith in his effing prime. Less to work with my left nut.


Dude. I meant as in numbers. Smith and Moose. Vs Smith , LaFell, Olsen. Geez man..

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 02:05 AM

Jake had a Steve Smith in his effing prime. Less to work with my left nut.


Which the double covered him every play and really didn't play the pass but yet stacked the box. So that left moose with our next and pretty much only other option. Hmmmm now we have smith who is no slouch With Olsen and lafell. No doubt smitty was much more in his prime then but saying that our receiving options were better in the jake era is not true when u double smitty every time... Just like they do now as well

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 02:12 AM

Dude. I meant as in numbers. Smith and Moose. Vs Smith , LaFell, Olsen. Geez man..

 

Production wise we are talking a whole different ball game. Muhammad could have been a #1 himself.

 

Lafell has yet to even hit 700 yards in a season. Greg Olsen has only gone over 600 yards twice.

 

Moose hit 1,000+ yards three times and only had below 500 yards twice in his whole career here.

 

Steve Smith, well we already know.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 02:24 AM

Which the double covered him every play and really didn't play the pass but yet stacked the box. So that left moose with our next and pretty much only other option. Hmmmm now we have smith who is no slouch With Olsen and lafell. No doubt smitty was much more in his prime then but saying that our receiving options were better in the jake era is not true when u double smitty every time... Just like they do now as well

 

Teams always double covered, or even triple covered Steve Smith. He still lit their asses up. I absolutely love him, but he isn't that guy anymore. We should have drafted a potential replacement for him years ago.

 

As for Moose, read my above post. We've been looking for a #2 receiver to replace him for years too.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 02:27 AM

Production wise we are talking a whole different ball game. Muhammad could have been a #1 himself.

Lafell has yet to even hit 700 yards in a season. Greg Olsen has only gone over 600 yards twice.

Moose hit 1,000+ yards three times and only had below 500 yards twice in his whole career here.

Steve Smith, well we already know.



Maybe I'm not making myself clear. I meant as in how many options he had to throw too. Jake had basically two. With an amazing o line. Cam has three with a mediocre o line. Regardless of production, age, etc etc. There are a lot of variables in that. Way too many.

Technically Cam has more targets. Smith is aged but still a top 10 guy in my opinion. LaFell is a solid #2/3 option. Olsen is a above average TE.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 02:29 AM

I'm dead serious. I actually went looking into this as part of the QB stuff I did with my metric, and the more I explored the topic the more it became apparent that the performance deviation between "clutch" and "non-clutch" events for any player was too insignificant to be statistically meaningful. A player that performed 5% better than an average player would often be labeled as clutch even though that difference in performance was entirely within the margin of error.

Furthermore, truly dominant players were often penalized by having a small sample size of clutch events and performing slightly below the norm in them, thereby skewing their "clutch" factor significantly in a menial sense but entirely irrelevant statistically.


I'm going to let that sink in a moment.. honestly it is just incredible.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 02:35 AM

Maybe I'm not making myself clear. I meant as in how many options he had to throw too. Jake had basically two. With an amazing o line. Cam has three with a mediocre o line. Regardless of production, age, etc etc. There are a lot of variables in that. Way too many.

Technically Cam has more targets. Smith is aged but still a top 10 guy in my opinion. LaFell is a solid #2/3 option. Olsen is a above average TE.


Yes he has three, but one of the three still has yet to fully form an identity.

I love Lafell, but if he's going to become a solid #2, it's got to be this year. He's yet to separate himself from that #3 label. I'm just going to blindly predict a huge season for him this year, all I have left as a Panther fan is hope.

I've always liked Olsen, I wanted him on our team when the Bears drafted him, and I was pissed. We really need to pair another solid TE with him, we need more two TE sets for Cam. Ben Hartsock is not going to cut it at all.

 

Maybe Brandon Williams can turn into something special.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 02:37 AM

I'm going to let that sink in a moment.. honestly it is just incredible.


It makes sense when you think about it logically. The opportunities to be clutch are a small subsection of sporting events. It's magnified in a sport like football where almost every snap could result in a score but only 6-12 snaps per 120 actually result in a scoring play (including field goals.)

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 09:42 AM

Man i see Eli sail passes all the time, hell he did it yesterday.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 09:55 AM

It makes sense when you think about it logically. The opportunities to be clutch are a small subsection of sporting events. It's magnified in a sport like football where almost every snap could result in a score but only 6-12 snaps per 120 actually result in a scoring play (including field goals.)


Are you going to be using you metric system again this year and updating us?

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:05 AM

Man i see Eli sail passes all the time, hell he did it yesterday.

 

Stop it!



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:17 AM

I really believe this has a big deal to why we don't see Cam throw the slant or an easy fade route in the endzone to 89.

The slant and fade route were two deadliest route we used to ran with 89 when Jake was here. I'm smh why we can't do this now.


There is no such thing as an easy fade to Smith in the end zone....what use to occur was really almost an anomaly. Smith has always played bigger than he was but to expect a 34 yr old 5 foot 9 guy to play like he is 6'5 in the red zone is a tad unrealistic. Even if Smith did it years ago...doesn't mean doing that today would be QB'ing basics


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