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#11 CRA

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:13 AM

If the OL is not important enough to pay Wharton....I doubt DG is going to pay any decent lineman cut soon. They will be Wharton caliber players.

I think people need to brace for us having what we got

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:14 AM

Who are we going to trade for a OL that would make an impact. Our 1st rounder? Greg Hardy? Star? Olsen?

 

We aren't exactly swimming in trade assets. This isn't the NBA

That is a problem--especially in late August.  We have been screaming for the Right Side of the line help since January.  I can;t telll you who we can trade because I do not understand all of the contracts, but there are a few options---none with any real value.

 

So basically, you are asking, what do we have to trade that we do not want?   Not much. 

 

Or you could look at it this way:  Can we afford to lose a player at a position where we have solid depth to bring in a player where we have no starting quality help?  WHen you realize that you have to give something to get something, you start to see what the word TRADE really means.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:59 AM

you acknowledge rome wasn built in a day so whats the point of the thread? 

 

we addressed the DL this past offseason and we will address the OL next offseason. 

We have been building Rome since 2008.  What is your point?  Wait til next year?

 

We are close THIS year.  A RT is about all we need  to compete if our D stays healthy.  One player--and we sit on $16 million in cap room.

 

And you want to wait until 2014.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 08:02 AM

3 Issues with trading for an offensive lineman:

1) I have heard nothing of any team or player that would be on trading block. That doesn't mean the options aren't out there. But before asking DG to trade something of value I'd like to know what the return at least could be.

2) The best time to make a trade will be between the 3rd and 4th preseason games. A quality starter that is still good but just so happened to get beat out by a young up and comer is the ideal situation. But teams aren't going to let go of a player until they are sure and no injuries have occurred.

3) And this is the most important point. Your assumption is that DG believes it is worth the risk to make a trade and that he sees Newton as his franshise QB. Neither may be case.

The fan in me agrees with you in that right now I'm still hopeful for this season and believe Newton is our guy. And maybe a trade may happen. But it's not like its as easy as just saying it. Other teams have to be willing as well.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 08:05 AM

3 Issues with trading for an offensive lineman:

1) I have heard nothing of any team or player that would be on trading block. That doesn't mean the options aren't out there. But before asking DG to trade something of value I'd like to know what the return at least could be.

2) The best time to make a trade will be between the 3rd and 4th preseason games. A quality starter that is still good but just so happened to get beat out by a young up and comer is the ideal situation. But teams aren't going to let go of a player until they are sure and no injuries have occurred.

3) And this is the most important point. Your assumption is that DG believes it is worth the risk to make a trade and that he sees Newton as his franshise QB. Neither may be case.

The fan in me agrees with you in that right now I'm still hopeful for this season and believe Newton is our guy. And maybe a trade may happen. But it's not like its as easy as just saying it. Other teams have to be willing as well.


#3 is important....and the fact he may not think investing in an offense that will be gutted under a likely new HC is worth it

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 08:09 AM

3 Issues with trading for an offensive lineman:

1) I have heard nothing of any team or player that would be on trading block. That doesn't mean the options aren't out there. But before asking DG to trade something of value I'd like to know what the return at least could be.

2) The best time to make a trade will be between the 3rd and 4th preseason games. A quality starter that is still good but just so happened to get beat out by a young up and comer is the ideal situation. But teams aren't going to let go of a player until they are sure and no injuries have occurred.

3) And this is the most important point. Your assumption is that DG believes it is worth the risk to make a trade and that he sees Newton as his franshise QB. Neither may be case.

The fan in me agrees with you in that right now I'm still hopeful for this season and believe Newton is our guy. And maybe a trade may happen. But it's not like its as easy as just saying it. Other teams have to be willing as well.

Very good point about Newton, but you have to give him the tools to see exactly how good he can be. 

 

You invested a first overall pick in him and he has put up the best two years for any QB.   Most teams would prioritize protecting hin and give him a WR or two. 

 

However, this team has been saying they are running more to set up play action.  We are scaring nobody in the run game.  If we can't run or protect the passer, we wiill never know what we have at QB.  It is a different position when you can't get set and your timing is thrown off.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 08:11 AM

Very good point about Newton, but you have to give him the tools to see exactly how good he can be.

You invested a first overall pick in him and he has put up the best two years for any QB. Most teams would prioritize protecting hin and give him a WR or two.

However, this team has been saying they are running more to set up play action. We are scaring nobody in the run game. If we can't run or protect the passer, we wiill never know what we have at QB. It is a different position when you can't get set and your timing is thrown off.

Hurney invested....not DG. DG could think ideally a different type O should be paired with his D

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 09:03 AM

I believe the philosophy behind the curtains is similar to what they think of CB's. I think they believe they can win with 2's and 3's as long as they have a LT and a C. It didnt look good to me.

 

How could they possibly justify taking a project in the 4th?

 

 



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 09:05 AM

Gettleman isn't all in on this season. Luke got the weapons around him so the pressure is on Luke and the defense to lead this team. Not Cam and the offense. This team was built for games like the Baltimore showing.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 09:12 AM

Tired of  "Rome wasnt built in a day" excuse, and it is an excuse. We've waited far too long.




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