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#31 Dash Global

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:02 AM

So we need to make a trade with someone to get a starting quality RT/RG even though we don't have anything really tradeable that we could part with.   Makes sense.

 

Exactly. This thread and some of the comments = Fail



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:02 AM

Record this somewhere:

 

WE WILL BRING IN AT LEAST 2 O-LINEMAN BEFORE THE SEATTLE GAME

 

If I am wrong, I change my avatar to anything that anyone suggests.  1,100 football players are about to hit FA.  I large number of those will be o-line, and a handful will be better than our current depth, or even our starters.

 

 



#33 MHS831

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:04 AM

So we need to make a trade with someone to get a starting quality RT/RG even though we don't have anything really tradeable that we could part with.   Makes sense.

Did you read the entire post?

 

Who says we have nothing we can part with--you?

 

How many RBs do we have who could make this roster? (A: 5)

 

How many DEs? (A: 5)

 

You may not WANT to give them up, but sometimes you need to spread the talent around.  Does that make sense?



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:11 AM

Record this somewhere:

 

WE WILL BRING IN AT LEAST 2 O-LINEMAN BEFORE THE SEATTLE GAME

 

If I am wrong, I change my avatar to anything that anyone suggests.  1,100 football players are about to hit FA.  I large number of those will be o-line, and a handful will be better than our current depth, or even our starters.

I am with you. I will use a richard simmons ava--no wait, taken.  :D I will use this: (Petting zoo my arse)

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#35 Rhell

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:20 AM

The Jets and Bills are looking at QB's.  They might bite on pickles for a guy.  I think just a guy is all we can hope for.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:21 AM

2 OL that make the active roster? That IMO actually is a pretty bold statement..

I hope you are right...

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:22 AM

We finally get Kugzilla back, but we don't even know what we have in him. We lose Amini, who was having trouble with consistency. So G Williams who was not so good at RG, is now our starting LG. Scott is now the backup RG, because he is better at that than he was at LG.

How was this team a 12th ranked Offense last year? Because they played good smart hardnosed football. Not because the O-line was any better.

Sure we could use some O-line help. But better play, and playcalling, will help us look better as well. These are things I expect to happen in the regular season. Cut out the penalties, open up the playbook, and catch the friggin' ball. Do those, and we will be OK.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:22 AM

We will bring in a guy.  Maybe not more than that since they will be replacing someone else on the roster.  So they would have to be able to contribute right away and potentially start. But for the most part, our line is who they are.  We are going to have to be using misdirection and creative plays because we are not just winning the battle between the tackles.  Hopefully scheme can make up for a lack of power.  We have 2 weeks to get it together.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:23 AM

I think we need to have a little more faith in Gettlemen. Earlier in the year the Huddle was screaming about things that were not done when "we"thought they should be (restructures) and they got done.

 

I believe Gettlemen is smart, and I believe he has a plan. I am not going to panic.  I think we should all just take a deep breath and trust the man will do his job.  So far he has earned that.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:25 AM

We finally get Kugzilla back, but we don't even know what we have in him. We lose Amini, who was having trouble with consistency. So G Williams who was not so good at RG, is now our starting LG. Scott is now the backup RG, because he is better at that than he was at LG.

How was this team a 12th ranked Offense last year? Because they played good smart hardnosed football. Not because the O-line was any better.

Sure we could use some O-line help. But better play, and playcalling, will help us look better as well. These are things I expect to happen in the regular season. Cut out the penalties, open up the playbook, and catch the friggin' ball. Do those, and we will be OK.

And the fact Newton will routinely turn what would be sack for the majority of starters into this league into a positive play...

Eventually, you would have to assume playing with fire will get you burnt....and Newton hurt.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:30 AM

Did you read the entire post?

 

Who says we have nothing we can part with--you?

 

How many RBs do we have who could make this roster? (A: 5)

 

How many DEs? (A: 5)

 

You may not WANT to give them up, but sometimes you need to spread the talent around.  Does that make sense?

 

Ok.. lets break this down rationally.

 

Trade value of running backs:

Deangelo Williams 30yr old ..plus expensive

Stewart .....broken plus expensive

Everyone else... no one is trading a starting quality guard for.

 

Trade value DE:

Charles Johnson...aint happening

Greg Hardy... right now cheap.  Playing in a contract year..probably gonna be franchised by us next year.

Frank Alexander. ...Maybe? But not worth a starting quality guard imo.  There are plenty of DE's that show spark in limited playing time.  More value to us than anyone else.

Everyone else... no one is trading a starting quality guard for.

 

So what does that leave?

WR... ROFL

DT..... PFFT.....

Secondary.... I would pay for someone to take Nakurmura.

Special teams......Giggles.....

LB position.......I'm sure we never lose linebackers during the year.  So we have awesome depth (sarcasm).

 

 

So what does that leave? 

Derrick Anderson?  There was a reason people weren't beating down the door for him. 

Jimmy Clausen?  Why get 2010 Jimmy Clausen when 2008 Jimmy Clause a.k.a Matt Leinart is a free agent?

 

The OP makes it sound like all we have to do is dangle a player out there and magically a starting level guard is going to appear.  People stock pile OL talent.  That's where a lot of injuries happen.

 

So to sum it up.

 

1. Dave G. has nothing to trade with.

2. He is probably going to scoop up people he is scouting after the cut down. 

3. I think injuries have more of an effect on whether or not we get new OL.  I honestly believe that our FO believes we have talented players who just aren't playing to potential.  I don't believe it but I think they do.  Look at how Rivera talks up Bell in interviews.

4. Just because you have 15 mill in salary cap space doesn't mean you should spend it.  Especially if you don't get value for it.  That is a Hurney move.

5.  If you all have not figured it out, the team ie .. Jerry Richardson philosophy is to build through the draft.  We are probably never going to bring in the big name free agent as long as this is the case.



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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:37 AM

Worst part is....if we being in new talent it likely wouldn't help immediately as OL play outside of talent is largely chemistry....

We play good defensive fronts to start the season....which is also concerning. Shula will get a shot early to prove what he is....I hope he doesn't stick with a power run game with no power if it is clearly not working very long..

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:40 AM

Who are we going to trade for a OL that would make an impact. Our 1st rounder? Greg Hardy? Star? Olsen?

We aren't exactly swimming in trade assets. This isn't the NBA


Beason and maybe Stewart, is the only trade bait we have.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:42 AM

I love how fans feel that our GM is ignoring the issue.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 10:47 AM

I love how fans feel that our GM is ignoring the issue.

 

But they want him to do something right now!!!!!  This second.  We should have 2 guards and a new RT today.  Because all the other teams with OL issue, Atlanta, Dallas, etc..etc.. are all bringing in talent while we are sitting on our hands!!!!...  Wait you say everyone is waiting on cuts as well?  So they aren't trading away talent and what depth they have to upgrade their lines?....Well..um...um...

 

Then Dave G should be screaming in the press about how we need OL help and basically screw up any negotiating leverage we have.  I think he is probably just watching OITNB on netflix instead of scouting OL and secondary options.




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