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What positions are the Saints supposedly lacking in 3-4?


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#1 Big A

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 11:42 AM

The Saints lost their best defensive player to the IR. (Will Smith )

yet they go 10 an 6 with a converting 3 -4 defense without 3-4 personnel.
Hmmmm

I keep reading the same comments on rivals board, but yet nobody can elaborate.

First off, lets get the Will Smith was best player thing out the way. Last year he was worst graded guy on entire team and ranked 108 out of 109 of all 4-3 DE's. the only thing he brought was veteran leadership since he's been with team for a while, but he was last year WORST player on defense. To put it in perspective, Gallette had more sacks and about the same QB pressures in just 460 snaps compared to Smiths 1089 snaps.


Now for the "they don't have 3-4 personnel" statement.

As for personnel, lets break it down. The DBs are not affected by 3-4 or 4-3 and with addition of Vacarro, Greer healthy, P Rob looking decent in preseason, Corey White continuing the improvement streak started last 3 games of last year, and finally Ryan understanding Harper is best used near the line in run support and blitz and not in coverage, the DB group will be fine.

Now for the 3-4 personnel, the front 3 not only have looked solid, we have guys with future breakout status not only playing but in that depth. Cam and Hicks have been great with Bunkley solid in middle with some young raw talent behind them. I don't think with the guys at front 3 anyone would say we don't have good guys up there or lack personnel.

Finally the one glaring weakness is obviously the 4 LBs. Lofton is experienced and pretty solid 3 down LB on inside, but the other guys are question marks with no full time playing and both OLB spending preseason hurt. In limited play Tez and Gallette have both put up great numbers and Gallette has played about half of the snaps last year, but Tez only played a little over 100 snaps of a 1100 snap season, so they are unproven as full year players.

Then Vilmas spot is biggest question mark, is he healthy enough to play after another knee surgery? The good news is Hawthorne is a vet that played great in preseason and can play either inside or outside.

So bottom line, I believe we have the guys for 3-4, yet the LB core is the only question due to lack of playtime and not much depth. On the other hand most defensive plays are in sub packages, so base 3-4 isn't a big alignment anyway, and the play so farchas been really good at most positions,


So name the exact position the Saints don't have to play 3-4?

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 11:46 AM

worst defense in NFL history fatty



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 11:51 AM

Just to attach some info, here is the total preseason grades of all 3-4 DEs. I guess a team without 3-4 personnel shouldn't have any guys graded in top 4, much less 3 of the top 4!

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 11:56 AM

worst defense in NFL history fatty


That's the same ignorant type statements I'm talking about. What does the 2012 defenses, with a different Def coordinator, a different defensive scheme, a completely different philosophy, lacking a head coach for accountability and bringing back at most 5 of 11 guys as starters have to do with Ryans 3-4 pressure defense? Or are you unable to have a factually based football conversation?

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 11:59 AM

i think you're too stupid to realize that you just answered your own question



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 12:13 PM

i think you're too stupid to realize that you just answered your own question


Actually I gave my personal opinion that our OLBs are not completely proven due to lack of full time play as a starter, although Gallette did actually play his way to start last year and ended up playing half the snaps, so there is not much question with him. Martez Wilson only has a little over a hundred snaps, mostly because he was used as a situational pass rusher, but was great in limited play.

On the other hand, I'm just pointing out we have two outside guys moving from part time to full time starters as well as a question about Vilma's health with a solid vet ready to play in his spot if he can't go. Yet that is NOT the same thing as saying we don't have the personnel.

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 12:56 PM

So Pat, where does the Saints defense rank at the end of the year?

 

Top ten?



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 01:15 PM

the 4 LBs, the most important part of a 3-4, other than NT is questionable.  25% of your 3-4 defense, one of the most important components.   other than vaccaro you guys have nobody.

 

if you don't have the LBs for a 3-4, or a badass NT, then you do not have the components to run a 3-4.   you answered your own question dumbass.

 

ps.  if you want to have a serious conversation about this, try posting it in NFL Central you fugtard



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 01:18 PM

oh, the secondary will be affected when they have to keep up with receivers longer because your front seven generates the pressure of a mild cold front.



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 01:19 PM

That's the same ignorant type statements I'm talking about. What does the 2012 defenses, with a different Def coordinator, a different defensive scheme, a completely different philosophy, lacking a head coach for accountability and bringing back at most 5 of 11 guys as starters have to do with Ryans 3-4 pressure defense? Or are you unable to have a factually based football conversation?

 

1.  Rob Ryan sucks

2.  You need pass rushing OLBs that can also play coverage.

3.  No pass rush means your DBs are going to get shredded..

4.  COMPLETELY NEW PHILOSOPHY, players must learn, AND they are already pathetic.

 

 

But allow me to translate that into something you might, possibly, understand:

 

You're shitty defense with your new shitty DC is going to sh!t out a shittier defense than your already world record setting shittiest defense of all time 



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 01:24 PM

Worst defense in history

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 01:49 PM

1. Rob Ryan sucks
2. You need pass rushing OLBs that can also play coverage.
3. No pass rush means your DBs are going to get shredded..
4. COMPLETELY NEW PHILOSOPHY, players must learn, AND they are already pathetic.


But allow me to translate that into something you might, possibly, understand:

You're shitty defense with your new shitty DC is going to sh!t out a shittier defense than your already world record setting shittiest defense of all time


New defensive philosophy that is very similiar to what they had been doing with GW for 3 years has been picked up pretty well so far according to players when interviewed and also according to coaches interviews. So unless both player and coaches are flat out lying AND you have some direct info to Saints locker room and meetings, you're wrong.


The same "shitty defense" is bringing back just 5 guys and 4 of those were on 2009 superbowl winning defense that faced 3 HOF QBs along the way


This preseason the Saints defense created 18 sacks and 71 QB pressure without a ton of blitzes, Panther only had 15 sacks and 54 QB pressures. So if those numbers mean Saints had zero pass rush, then I ask you why is Panthers pass rush so sad and nonexistent?

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Posted 02 September 2013 - 01:50 PM

New defensive philosophy that is very similiar to what they had been doing with GW for 3 years has been picked up pretty well so far according to players when interviewed and also according to coaches interviews. So unless both player and coaches are flat out lying AND you have some direct info to Saints locker room and meetings, you're wrong.


The same "shitty defense" is bringing back just 5 guys and 4 of those were on 2009 superbowl winning defense that faced 3 HOF QBs along the way


This preseason the Saints defense created 18 sacks and 71 QB pressure without a ton of blitzes, Panther only had 15 sacks and 54 QB pressures. So if those numbers mean Saints had zero pass rush, then I ask you why is Panthers pass rush so sad and nonexistent?

 

you'll find out how wrong you are when the seasons starts...



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 02:27 PM

New defensive philosophy that is very similiar to what they had been doing with GW for 3 years has been picked up pretty well so far according to players when interviewed and also according to coaches interviews. So unless both player and coaches are flat out lying AND you have some direct info to Saints locker room and meetings, you're wrong.


The same "shitty defense" is bringing back just 5 guys and 4 of those were on 2009 superbowl winning defense that faced 3 HOF QBs along the way


This preseason the Saints defense created 18 sacks and 71 QB pressure without a ton of blitzes, Panther only had 15 sacks and 54 QB pressures. So if those numbers mean Saints had zero pass rush, then I ask you why is Panthers pass rush so sad and nonexistent?

 

I guess you'll be fine, then.  What are you worried about?  You'll score >50ppg and hold teams to <10ppg.  Best team in the history of everness.



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Posted 02 September 2013 - 02:27 PM

PS You're fat.




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