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#106 Mr. Scot

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Posted 03 September 2013 - 11:52 PM

Being intelligent and being wise are two different things.

 

Need to be intelligent to be a cap expert and deal with numbers.

 

Need to be wise when dealing with people. Marty is a smart guy, but he wasn't wise managing the team.

 

I know people who are intelligent, wise, great with numbers and good with people who I wouldn't put in charge of picking a grade school flag football team.

 

Some people are very well able to make numbers add up on a spreadsheet. But it's not enough.

 

Some people are good at scouting talent. But that alone also isn't enough to make a good GM either.

 

You have to be able to put the two together and recognize the value of a player in the current market.

 

The best way to prove you can do that is by working your way through the ranks from scout up to player personnel.  Marty Hurney never did that.  Dave Gettleman did.

 

Over the next several seasons, I hope we see a clear difference.



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Posted 03 September 2013 - 11:56 PM

Pie for Penny


That episode was on tonight.

ADD must have kicked in. That or I read through 4 pages of this thread to discover nothing. Surprise? I think not.

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 12:01 AM

I know people who are intelligent, wise, great with numbers and good with people who I wouldn't put in charge of picking a grade school flag football team.

Some people are very well able to make numbers add up on a spreadsheet. But it's not enough.

Some people are good at scouting talent. But that alone also isn't enough to make a good GM either.

You have to be able to put the two together and recognize the value of a player in the current market.

The best way to prove you can do that is by working your way through the ranks from scout up to player personnel. Marty Hurney never did that. Dave Gettleman did.

Over the next several seasons, I hope we see a clear difference.


I'm really good at scouting, pick me! Pick me! But seriously, as an example, I present Cordarrelle Patterson. Had we drafted him he could've been a 1,000 yard receiver from the get go and moved Smitty into the slot a little sooner. Our offense is not complex and he would've had no trouble picking it up. That said, we drafted for need and BPA by picking Star which I'm not upset about. Patterson will be a stud in the league and Ponder will soon look better because of it.

Jake locker and Blaine gabbert? You guys remember when ESPN had them over Cam on almost every draft board they put out? Real love paid evaluators. Luckily our success is not based on what they choose. We would still be in the gutter if we had made that mistake.

Two Jimmehs on one team...eek

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 02:31 AM

Our offense is not complex

 

Well, you started out well. . .



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Posted 04 September 2013 - 04:49 AM

Can you imagine Hurney on the Panthers beat? LOL

Could he be better than Persons?



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Posted 04 September 2013 - 06:40 AM

Oh no no Im not making this a situation so much as Im prying an actual answer out of you instead of just blatent "JR is a bad owner because of 2010"

Shrug, do tell. Sounds horrific.

As a businessman and as a person he is great.

From a fans perspective As a NFL owner he is hot garbage.

How many other businesses are out there that no matter how bad your product is your customers will get penalized financially if they think about not renewing their subscription or seats. Then after his business has grown from $250 to over 1Billion make a passive aggressive that about moving the team.

Oh and Give the loyal fans a crap product for 75% of you're teams existence and line your pockets with their money but don't take bad contracts on the chin because it hurts your stock holders shares.

It's a heck of a business model

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 06:48 AM

Well, you started out well. . .


Did you watch Cordarrelle Patterson this preseason? He has the ability to get to a thousand off of nearly talent alone. He's not as imposing as Dez Bryant(who you also didn't think was any good until late last season) but he can be a more versatile, quicker Julio jones who had 1,000 yards last season.

Just an observation based off of observation. Talent evaluators can't always use numbers to substantiate their claims and this is one of those cases. You put on the film and you see what's possible if you put the ball in his hands. Don't give me the whole what if he doesn't fit or make it in our system, make him fit. Like the Redskins overhaul of their offense for Robert and the Saints Darren Sproles. Hopefully we don't lose sight of that for Cam.

#113 fieryprophet

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 10:01 AM

Did you watch Cordarrelle Patterson this preseason? He has the ability to get to a thousand off of nearly talent alone. He's not as imposing as Dez Bryant(who you also didn't think was any good until late last season) but he can be a more versatile, quicker Julio jones who had 1,000 yards last season.

Just an observation based off of observation. Talent evaluators can't always use numbers to substantiate their claims and this is one of those cases. You put on the film and you see what's possible if you put the ball in his hands. Don't give me the whole what if he doesn't fit or make it in our system, make him fit. Like the Redskins overhaul of their offense for Robert and the Saints Darren Sproles. Hopefully we don't lose sight of that for Cam.

 

I was talking about the fact you said our offense wasn't complex. And I saw Patterson. . .in the preseason. He looked good, but I want to see how consistent he can be in his route-running, which is the #1 thing I look for in a receiver. Physical talent means nothing without good routes, which is why I didn't care for Dez Bryant, because the Cowboys had to accommodate his poor route running and the way he left Romo out to dry by not being where the ball was. A receiver like that can get you yards and TDs. . .and turnovers.



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Posted 04 September 2013 - 10:12 AM

As a businessman and as a person he is great.

From a fans perspective As a NFL owner he is hot garbage.

How many other businesses are out there that no matter how bad your product is your customers will get penalized financially if they think about not renewing their subscription or seats. Then after his business has grown from $250 to over 1Billion make a passive aggressive that about moving the team.

Oh and Give the loyal fans a crap product for 75% of you're teams existence and line your pockets with their money but don't take bad contracts on the chin because it hurts your stock holders shares.

It's a heck of a business model

I don't think we gave had a crap product for the most part. And I do think JR wants to win and is serious about winning. Unfortunately it hasn't materialized the way he has wanted it to, but that doesn't mean he is purposely undermining the team and forfeiting competitiveness for profits.

The only year you could even remotely make that claim was 2010, but actually people were quite excited about the prospects of that season beforehand. Only after do we look at with the benefit of hindsight.

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 02:37 PM

Someone made the comment about how bad the Panthers have been after 18 years in the league. So I thought I would look at a couple other teams and see how they preformed in their 1st 18 seasons.

So I thought it would be fun to have some trivia. See if you can guess what team's records are listed below. (based on the franshise's 1st 18 seasons)

Team 1: Winning % .352, conference championships 0, division titles 0, playoff appearances 1, winning seasons 4.

Team 2: Winning % .398, conference championships 0, division titles 1, playoff appearances 3, winning seasons 5.

Team 3: Winning % .458, conference championships 1, division titles 3, playoff appearances 4, winning seasons 4.


I'll post the answers sometime tomorrow.


Make sure to control for the salary cap! (You won't)

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 03:02 PM

I was talking about the fact you said our offense wasn't complex. And I saw Patterson. . .in the preseason. He looked good, but I want to see how consistent he can be in his route-running, which is the #1 thing I look for in a receiver. Physical talent means nothing without good routes, which is why I didn't care for Dez Bryant, because the Cowboys had to accommodate his poor route running and the way he left Romo out to dry by not being where the ball was. A receiver like that can get you yards and TDs. . .and turnovers.


Bryant will be good once he gets all that down though. Michael Irvin and Terrell Owens good(on the field) . I think Patterson and Jennings will be the best receiver combo the Vikings have had since Chris carter and Randy Moss. Not saying that they could hold Chris or Randy's jock but they still could be formidable depending on Pattersons development. I think the Vikings could pull some of the Pats play book and use Cassel better than the Vikings can use ponder.

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Posted 04 September 2013 - 08:34 PM

As a businessman and as a person he is great.

From a fans perspective As a NFL owner he is hot garbage.

How many other businesses are out there that no matter how bad your product is your customers will get penalized financially if they think about not renewing their subscription or seats. Then after his business has grown from $250 to over 1Billion make a passive aggressive that about moving the team.

Oh and Give the loyal fans a crap product for 75% of you're teams existence and line your pockets with their money but don't take bad contracts on the chin because it hurts your stock holders shares.

It's a heck of a business model

 

any business where demands exceed expectations constantly. As new ways to access media gets easier and faster so will their demands increase further.

 

 

 

and Panthro please take some time to think about this. . .Happiness is relative, no matter how much money you have. What kind of man is it that constantly seeks more and more for those around him?

 

Someone who gives a damn and someone that is trying to succeed. Richardson was a rookie too once, a rookie NFL owner. I dont know what kind of politics and hand shaking and all kinds of other bullshit he went through to get there but he got there. . . and just like Chico he struggled and had a little success.

 

Can a man learn from his mistakes? Garbage you said. He hired DG so lets not go overboard with Homey over there.



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Posted 04 September 2013 - 09:25 PM

any business where demands exceed expectations constantly. As new ways to access media gets easier and faster so will their demands increase further.



and Panthro please take some time to think about this. . .Happiness is relative, no matter how much money you have. What kind of man is it that constantly seeks more and more for those around him?

Someone who gives a damn and someone that is trying to succeed. Richardson was a rookie too once, a rookie NFL owner. I dont know what kind of politics and hand shaking and all kinds of other bullshit he went through to get there but he got there. . . and just like Chico he struggled and had a little success.

Can a man learn from his mistakes? Garbage you said. He hired DG so lets not go overboard with Homey over there.


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