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#51 Jackofalltrades

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 03:57 PM

I want to see Wilson's Heisman and National Championship trophies from college.

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 04:06 PM

They trusted WIlson so much last year that he threw the fewest amount of passes out of all starting QBs, despite being ranked 5th in time of possession.



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 04:40 PM

Please explain this.... are you talking win/loss record?  Last time I checked Cam has done better his first 2 years than any other QB in a couple of categories.

 

Pick a measure, and a year. If you want to compare rookie year to rookie year, Wilson wins. Rookie year to sophomore year, Wilson wins.

 

The only measure Cam led in is running yards and total TD so far as I have seen thus far in looking at the stats for the two. Leading in running yards, like with RGIII, isn't necesarily a good thing always. Cam might lead in passing yards, but passing yards is a product of system mor than anythign else. If Wilson played for GB, Denver, NE, e.g., he'd have had 4k yards, too, right?

 

Also, both Cam and RGIII had their offenses skewed to fit them. Wilson did not. He didn't need it to be. The Read Option was added because Wilson *could* do it, not because they needed to to make him successful.

 

Check the stats that matter:

 

Comp. %: Wilson

Passing TDs: Wilson

Total TDs: Newton, but he's a running QB in a system designed to have him run. Is he a better runner than wilson? Probably. I've not seen the breakdowns on when, why, types of yards, etc. But, like RGIII, does Newton's running actually put the long-term interest of the team in jeopardy? In terms of decision-making, Wilson is a MUCH more mature runner than RGIII. I don't have enough background on Newton to know if he runs well and runs smart.

 

INTs:  Wilson

TD/INT ratio: Wilson

QB rating, all of them NFL, ESPN, DVOA: Wilson

Even more so, look at the efficiency. That reflects decision-making.

 

Wilson set the rookie records for:

TDs: 26

TD/INT differential: +16

Playoff yards

Playoff TDs

 

Two rookies in the entire history of the NFL have had a 100+ passer rating: Wilson and RG III at 100 and 102, respectively. Newton's best so far is 86, iirc.

 

One rookie in history has had a DYAR (Football Outsiders) over 1,000: Wilson

http://www.footballo...ads-2012-review

 

Playoff appearances: Wilson

Playoff wins: Wilson

 

Blah, blah, blah. If you think Newton is the better QB, as opposed to athlete, you have a very different definition of QB than I do.

 

They're both good QBs, but Wilson is now, and because of his mental and maturity attributes, will remain the better QB. How close Cam can get is up to him to emulate Wilson, and others, that will themselves to succeed.

This storey makes my point: Cam is three years in and just now getting to where Wilson has always been with focus, maturity, self-control, discipline.

 

Some are expecting good things out of your team. I hope so for you fans, but that doesn't mean these two QBs are equal. Wilson is a step or half-step ahead until Cam shows he can be a mature, focused, disciplined player, QB and leader for a full season.

 

Maybe he catches up this year.



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 04:42 PM

Whooooaaaa whoa whoa there now you got to be trolling lol. As I recall Cam won a little trophy called the Heisman and won the National Title in one season at Auburn.

 

I thought that is the goal for most College Athletes, in fact that's the entire reason your QB went to Wisconsin, so he could try to do just that.

 

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Title = team. We are talking QBs.

 

Heisman = athlete. We are talking QBs.

 

Wilson is the better QB while Cam is the better athlete.
 



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 04:58 PM

LoL and he also said had a better rookie season. Even though he broke records, not just rookie records, pro records. THEN there's the fact that he shattered Manning's rookie mark without a preseason to prepare with.

 

These guys talk about Wilson being diligent like no one else does that. All the good ones prepare and help their teammates prepare, haha, its essential. These guys are proud of that like "LOOK he can tie his shoes good man!" LoLs nice and Im sure he goes pee pee standing up like a big boy, but he's not 1/10th the threat of Cam.
 

 

TheRed isnt bullshittin man,  these guys are giant homers, its hilariously pitiful. Tate and Smith in the same sentence hahahahahahahahahahaha - Mr T 89 pities the foo

If you want to pretend all QBs are equal in this, go ahead, but it makes you look like the homer, not me. Some are legendary for thier prep, attention to detail, film study, some are not. Manning is one of them and look what he has become over the years. Wilson already is legendary for this, and it will likely reflect in an elite career as a QB.

 

I've read nothing so far that indicates Newton works as hard as Wilson. Perhaps he does, but where is the evidence of it? I've seen comments/write-ups about Kaepernick and Luck working at an exceptional level, but not Cam. If the evidence is out there, great, we can stop looking at this as a differential between them. But I've not seen it yet.

 

And, again, if you think this doesn't matter, I really do not know what to tell you except that you are very, very wrong.

 

How's this for an example: Senior Bowl. When Wilson was not in the game, what was he doing? Mirroring the plays on the field on the sideline.

 

The kids never stops preparing.



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 05:04 PM

If you want to pretend all QBs are equal in this, go ahead, but it makes you look like the homer, not me. Some are legendary for thier prep, attention to detail, film study, some are not. Manning is one of them and look what he has become over the years. Wilson already is legendary for this, and it will likely reflect in an elite career as a QB.

 

I've read nothing so far that indicates Newton works as hard as Wilson. Perhaps he does, but where is the evidence of it? I've seen comments/write-ups about Kaepernick and Luck working at an exceptional level, but not Cam. If the evidence is out there, great, we can stop looking at this as a differential between them. But I've not seen it yet.

 

And, again, if you think this doesn't matter, I really do not know what to tell you except that you are very, very wrong.

 

How's this for an example: Senior Bowl. When Wilson was not in the game, what was he doing? Mirroring the plays on the field on the sideline.

 

The kids never stops preparing.

 

Wilson is already legendary and elite after one season where he threw the least amount of passes of all starting quarterbacks? Where is your evidence to back up this laughable allegation that Cam isn't a hard worker?

 

Please don't link another Pete Prisco article, lol.



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 05:32 PM

Wilson is already legendary and elite after one season where he threw the least amount of passes of all starting quarterbacks? Where is your evidence to back up this laughable allegation that Cam isn't a hard worker?

 

Please don't link another Pete Prisco article, lol.

 

As a former teacher of English language, what you think I said is not what I said. He is legendary and elite in his preparation, yes. He's been doing it since HS, not just last year.

 

As for the article, it was a good one, I thought, though I'd generally agree with you about Prisco.



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 05:46 PM

As a former teacher of English language, what you think I said is not what I said. He is legendary and elite in his preparation, yes. He's been doing it since HS, not just last year.

 

As for the article, it was a good one, I thought, though I'd generally agree with you about Prisco.

 

I am only going by the very words you used to describe him. One season does not make a career.

 

I think he is a gifted quarterback and a good person, but it appears you are having difficulty removing the homer glasses. Seems to be a common trait with your fan base. Yet you make such outlandish claims about our QB.



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 05:47 PM

I am only going by the very words you used to describe him. One season does not make a career.

I think he is a gifted quarterback and a good person, but it appears you are having difficulty removing the homer glasses. Seems to be a common trait with your fan base. Yet you make such outlandish claims about our QB.


Pretty common in bandwagon fan bases. Instead of dealing with a let down they just move to the flavor of the year.

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 07:03 PM

And, again, if you think this doesn't matter, I really do not know what to tell you except that you are very, very wrong.

 

Saying that all "good" QB's do it means it matters, Mr Engrish Teacher.





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