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North Carolina next to get rid of state income tax?

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Because the wealthy don't eat...or eat higher priced items.

 

I didn't think it would be possible for you to increase your utter cluelessness, supply side butt kissing or outright stupidity more than you've shown the past few months but I'm man enough to admit I was wrong.

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"...don't further inhibit the progress this state has made which has made it one of the best places to live in the United States for the last 20 or so years...."
Any progress made has been effectively demolished by McCrory in the last several months. Now, with the second highest unemployment rate in the country, much of it along the I-95 corridor, some of the highest state taxes in the country, among the highest gas taxes in the country and ridiculous insurance rates...

I lived in NC from 1993-2000 and we've recently moved back to NC from Virginia after a 13 year absence. Gas is higher, grocery costs much higher, insurance is crazy and property taxes easily triple what I paid in VA. Fug NC, but we're stuck here for at least 3 years...


We have the highest gas tax because we have one if the lowest cigarette and alcohol taxes.

Let me know as soon as you can leave...I will gladly pay for your one way bus ticket out of our state.

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 Please make every effort to leave as soon as possible.

 

On second thought, the idea of sticking around just to annoy you will be worth it....
 

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We have the highest gas tax because we have one if the lowest cigarette and alcohol taxes.

Let me know as soon as you can leave...I will gladly pay for your one way bus ticket out of our state.

 

Don't smoke and don't drink that much... thanks for your thoughts, though, but see my response to Kurb and apply as needed.
 

Don't get butt hurt because your state has taken huge steps in the wrong direction, just do something to change it.

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Don't smoke and don't drink that much... thanks for your thoughts, though, but see my response to Kurb and apply as needed.

Don't get butt hurt because your state has taken huge steps in the wrong direction, just do something to change it.


I don't smoke at all and don't drink much (outside of Panther Tailgates). I was just pointing out that the high gas tax is a result if lower other taxes. I remember several years back when there was a proposal to raise the cigarette and alcohol tax rates....there was screaming that this would be unfair to the poor and muddle class.

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On second thought, the idea of sticking around just to annoy you will be worth it....
 

Nail's don't annoy Hammers.

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I don't smoke at all and don't drink much (outside of Panther Tailgates). I was just pointing out that the high gas tax is a result if lower other taxes. I remember several years back when there was a proposal to raise the cigarette and alcohol tax rates....there was screaming that this would be unfair to the poor and muddle class.

 

It's a difficult proposition as a higher tobacco tax would undoubtedly effect the growers still in the state, although that number seems to be shrinking regardless. Seems to me a limited time subsidy to tobacco growers derived from the tobacco taxes or an incentive program to change what product is being grown might be an alternative. A lot of the tobacco fields surrounding the areas I've lived in the state are now growing something else.

 

With respect to the alcohol taxes, I'd never seen state run alcohol businesses until moving to NC back in the early 90's. I don't understand it except as a source of revenue for the state, but even without the ABC, there are still state taxes collected on alcohol when it is brought in to the state. Privatizing the liquor store business would create more jobs, reduce the state's expenses on maintaining these stores, payroll, purchasing, etc. and put it all on the private businessman. The state will still collect the taxes and collect revenues from the sale of liquor licenses.

 

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Because the wealthy don't eat...or eat higher priced items.

They do, but someone that makes 5x what a middle class earner makes does not eat 5x as much or buy 5x as much stuff. Most wealthy people don't go out and buy new appliances and cars every year just because they can. Some yes, but most do not. 

 

Nick Haneur explains it well:

 

http://youtu.be/iIhOXCgSunc

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They do, but someone that makes 5x what a middle class earner makes does not eat 5x as much or buy 5x as much stuff. Most wealthy people don't go out and buy new appliances and cars every year just because they can. Some yes, but most do not. 

 

Nick Haneur explains it well:

 

http://youtu.be/iIhOXCgSunc

 

It's not necessarily about eating 5x as much...or buying 5x as much...it's about buying the one items that cost 2-3 and even 5 times more than the norm.  Texas and Florida seem to be doing pretty well under their tax system/economic plans, and to simply think the vast burden is going to fall on the poor is as much as a myth as believing that voter id requirements will suppress minority voting. 
 

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It's not necessarily about eating 5x as much...or buying 5x as much...it's about buying the one items that cost 2-3 and even 5 times more than the norm.  Texas and Florida seem to be doing pretty well under their tax system/economic plans, and to simply think the vast burden is going to fall on the poor is as much as a myth as believing that voter id requirements will suppress minority voting. 
 

Texas is the Saudi Arabia of the United States.

 

Florida is the most popular tourist destination in the U.S. They get more money from tourism than from any other industry.

 

NC has very little in the way of oil or gas like Texas and while we have a decent tourism industry, it is nothing like Florida.

 

All states are not equal so you cannot say "It works in state x so it will work in state y too."

 

I'm not saying it WON'T be a good thing, I just don't see how we make up for the lost revenue and don't think it will work in NC. We don't have the ability to rely on outsiders (whether visiting as tourists or buying natural resource exports) to take the burden off of residents like Florida, Texas, Alaska, and Nevada can.

 

You're also crazy if you think that wealthier people consistently purchase things that are costing several times the norm. It just doesn't work like that. Some things yes, but the majority of wealthy people are just normal people.

 

One last thing, it is not about the overall burden, it is the burden in proportion to income. Increasing the consumption tax on poor people and lower middle class people will simply push more people onto government support programs to make up the difference. They currently pay very little, and sometimes nothing, in state income tax, yet they still struggle to make ends meet. If their cost of goods goes up with increased consumption tax, they're losing ground and more will end up on welfare programs.

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You've already created a consumption tax on food which moves the tax burden to the poor and middle class just to give the wealthy a tax cut.


probably middle class
poor using food stamps, WIC, etc already

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which is cool, right

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