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Ron and Mike say they will open up the offense,do you believe it?

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Why do people think it's important what Rivera knows? All the knowing in the world is useless unless you can do something with it, which he has not proven that he can. Ever.

knowing is half the battle, but no battle ever half fought was ever won.

 

same with shula. he should know more about how to be a successful OC, but i have yet to see him do it.

 

doing better than chud in a game where we crapped the bed last year isn't really reaching lofty goals.

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We need to at least throw a bomb to Ginn, even if he doesn't catch it, it will open stuff in the middle up for Olsen and Smitty

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I get it, but every game shouldn't be a shoot out, and we were better in literally every facet of the game this year over last year on offense against the same team.  There isn't a single statistic we didn't improve on.

 

So I think the offense will be better than last year.  Based on the limited amount of data that is all I can assume.

who is calling for a shoot out? i swear this is too funny when someone says "we should have been able to score twice" is interpreted as calling for a shootout or comparable to playing madden.

 

and comparing to chud last year in one game where we failed last year isn't really something i can get giddy about.

 

we should have and could have done better, esp. with them missing so many D players. we didn't.

 

based on the limited amount of data i've seen, our offense is still going to be insufficient to win many games.

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knowing is half the battle, but no battle ever half fought was ever won.

 

same with shula. he should know more about how to be a successful OC, but i have yet to see him do it.

 

doing better than chud in a game where we crapped the bed last year isn't really reaching lofty goals.

 

True.  But is the only data we have available to compare.  We looked better in every way.  We only scored 7 points but I think that had more to do with the nature and context of the game than actual offensive futility.

 

I get the point, that we only scored 7 points.  But against that defense we did not put ourselves in good situations to score more points.  When we had opportunities we messed up.

 

I was overall, encouraged by our offense yesterday.  I realize that doesn't seem to make sense, maybe not even to me :P, but I am.

 

I think if we can stay on track we will be a very good offensive team.  I don't want our staff to overreact and then over-correct because of one game.

 

We did good things yesterday.

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This is the same stuff I go through with my 8 year old. He makes a dumb decision, he gets disciplined. Inevitably he says next time He won't do it again. Time to grow up Panthers and quit with the hindsight. Just fuging do it already.

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True.  But is the only data we have available to compare.  We looked better in every way.  We only scored 7 points but I think that had more to do with the nature and context of the game than actual offensive futility.

 

I get the point, that we only scored 7 points.  But against that defense we did not put ourselves in good situations to score more points.  When we had opportunities we messed up.

 

I was overall, encouraged by our offense yesterday.  I realize that doesn't seem to make sense, maybe not even to me :P, but I am.

 

I think if we can stay on track we will be a very good offensive game.  I don't want our staff to overreact and then over-correct because of one game.

 

We did good things yesterday.

we did some good stuff, but not nearly enough. we didn't score enough and the amount needed should have been reached. it wasn't insurmountable odds. the impression that i got was they just played it too safe yesterday and that's been my fear. i didn't see anything yesterday to lead me to believe that shula isn't the coach i thought he would be. being better than chud yesterday just doesn't cut it. i expect a whole lot more from this offense and scoring 14 points wasn't unrealisticly high expectations.

 

i just hate it that people are so content with what we weren't able to accomplish offensively and are all too eager to gloss it over and justify it.

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I honestly think Shula was being overly cautious against that Seattle secondary. I think they went into the game wanting to be as conservative as possible and let our defense and running backs win us the game, unfortunately we didn't hold onto the ball and prevent stupid penalties that ultimately cost us the game. Had we executed the way Seattle did, we'd have won the game 14-12.

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we did some good stuff, but not nearly enough. we didn't score enough and the amount needed should have been reached. it wasn't insurmountable odds. the impression that i got was they just played it too safe yesterday and that's been my fear. i didn't see anything yesterday to lead me to believe that shula isn't the coach i thought he would be. being better than chud yesterday just doesn't cut it. i expect a whole lot more from this offense and scoring 14 points wasn't unrealisticly high expectations.

 

i just hate it that people are so content with what we weren't able to accomplish offensively and are all too eager to gloss it over and justify it.

 

Of course we can always play the coulda shoulda woulda game, however, is we score a TD instead of fumble on our last series we would have had a TD/drive rate of .250 which would be good enough for a top 10 finish last year, and was better than our rate last year.

 

Now, of course we didn't score a TD and instead had a fumble, so that doesn't matter.

 

But the point being, I didn't see any reason to panic, and I didn't see our offense as unusually poor.

 

It was a low scoring slug fest with a low number of possessions and a low number of total plays.

 

Shula did fine.  The offense was fine.  Hold onto the ball and eliminate turnover and drops, we wold have looked even better.

 

I guess where you say you didn't "see anything to make you believe that Shula isn't the coach you thought he was", in my opinion  I didn't see anything to suggest Shula is the coach you thought he was.

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My take is  they used the game plan that they thought would win the game but a small number of players fuged it up.

 

 

This is pretty close to the truth I think.

 

The question is.  Was it the right game plan?

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All Shula has to do is have a center hike the ball to Cam.....

It isn't tough to not be conservative. Seattle is a poor gauge. Again, look at last season. we weren't explosive against them not did we try. You can't just fling it around with them for lots of reasons.

To a degree it is like having Jake as your QB....no matter the gameplan 17 just wasnt conservative in nature. If a playcall had a potential deep bomb route 17 had the option of.....he likely would fling it if there were less than 6 guys on 89

 

Jake threw hand grenades and was bailed out by Smitty a lot...let's face it...lol. And we loved him for it

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Of course we can always play the coulda shoulda woulda game, however, is we score a TD instead of fumble on our last series we would have had a TD/drive rate of .250 which would be good enough for a top 10 finish last year, and was better than our rate last year.

 

Now, of course we didn't score a TD and instead had a fumble, so that doesn't matter.

 

But the point being, I didn't see any reason to panic, and I didn't see our offense as unusually poor.

 

It was a low scoring slug fest with a low number of possessions and a low number of total plays.

 

Shula did fine.  The offense was fine.  Hold onto the ball and eliminate turnover and drops, we wold have looked even better.

 

I guess where you say you didn't "see anything to make you believe that Shula isn't the coach you thought he was", in my opinion  I didn't see anything to suggest Shula is the coach you thought he was.

 

the lack of production and conservative nature of the offense suggests that he is that coach. we can justify it by talking about the context of the game, but even rivera said it was too conservative. that's what we have to go on. that and the results.

 

as far as panic...there's no panic here. it's just a simple case of hoping to see more and seeing what i was afraid of and being resigned to us being poor and not living up to it's potential yet again, complete with a poo ton of excuses.

 

i'm sure that eventually they'll get stuff straight like they did last year...but i have this feeling that it's going to be the same story as last year.

 

and again, i don't think the offense was fine, but i guess i was looking for us to actually score enough to win, esp. when all we had to do was score more than 12. that's just not fine to me. production is all that matters.

 

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the lack of production and conservative nature of the offense suggests that he is that coach. we can justify it by talking about the context of the game, but even rivera said it was too conservative. that's what we have to go on. that and the results.

 

as far as panic...there's no panic here. it's just a simple case of hoping to see more and seeing what i was afraid of and being resigned to us being poor and not living up to it's potential yet again, complete with a poo ton of excuses.

 

i'm sure that eventually they'll get stuff straight like they did last year...but i have this feeling that it's going to be the same story as last year.

 

and again, i don't think the offense was fine, but i guess i was looking for us to actually score enough to win, esp. when all we had to do was score more than 12. that's just not fine to me. production is all that matters.

 

Rivera never throws players under the bus so he and Shula took the credit for the conservatism. After the game Cam defended Shula saying that Shula did call long shots but he didn't go there.  It wasn't Shula's fault at all.  But don't let the facts get in your way. 

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