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On Cam's near interception


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I'm not a huge fan of "statistics", but rather on production. Stats don't lie, but it doesnt always tell everything.

 

We can talked all day about Cam's incredible passing percentage (70%), but he didn't make enough plays Sunday to win us the game. If we just wanted to look at stats wise, Matt Schaub has a better career passing completion of 64.5% compared to the 3x Super Bowl Champion QB Tom Brady's 63.7%. Does that make Schaub a better and more accurate passer than Brady? No way. We cant tell if a QB is completing his passes by making easy dump offs/check downs to the RBs or whatever by just reading statistics.

 

At the end of the day, it all comes down to who makes bigger plays to help his team win games. I am going to make the Newton/Kaepernick comparison all day long, bc those two are so much similar as a QB. The only differences is Kaepernick is a bigger threat as a game changer and a better pocket presence than Cam as of right now. Carolina's fans can cry and sulk all they want about Kaepernick thriving bc of Harbaugh compared to Cam with Rivera's. Fans need to face the reality that Kaep is a much better QB than Cam atm. The only place you'll find people arguing that Cam is better than Kaep is in the Carolinas.

 

Last Sunday, we probably played a tougher Defense with Seattle than Kaep with GB, but that doesnt mean poo. Kaep stand tall in the pocket and picked that GB defense apart for 400+ yards and 3 tds like a veteran QB who have done it for years. Cam on the other hand looked like he was forced to be "one dimensional" without the read-option.

 

I dont care if Cam throws for 500 yards. If he doesnt make enough winning plays for us this year, we won't see the Playoffs anytime soon.

This is a lot of words that really don't say anything.

Kaep and Cam are similar, except that Cam is bigger, stronger, faster, and has higher upside.

You do this in your posts a ton and I'm still hoping you learn better sometime, see here:

 

Carolina's fans can cry and sulk all they want about Kaepernick thriving bc of Harbaugh compared to Cam with Rivera's. Fans need to face the reality that Kaep is a much better QB than Cam atm.

 

So stating facts is considered "Sulking and Crying" ?

Harbs is saved Alex Smith, he groomed Kaep, the San Fran OLine's BACKUPS are likely better than half of our OLine, Kaep has better playcalling, better Defense and one could argue better WRs/TE.

 

Please start doing some research before spewing out opinions based on your feels.

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Yeah let's compare Kaepernick on arguably the best team in the NFL right now from top to bottom on both sides of the ball with one of the best coaches in the league to Cam, a makeshift o line, this receiver core, and Ron Rivera....

 

The sad thing about Chuck is, he is 100% serious with his statements. It's mind boggling.

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I love Kaep. I think he is awesome. I also praised RG3 last season. I love Russell Wilson and think he is a special guy.

The only two guys I don't gush praise on yet is Luck and Dalton.

But Cam had a good game and we played all in all a good game Sunday. We did enough to win but we didn't. That sucks and is getting old to lose these games, but it is still true.

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This is a lot of words that really don't say anything.

Kaep and Cam are similar, except that Cam is bigger, stronger, faster, and has higher upside.

You do this in your posts a ton and I'm still hoping you learn better sometime, see here:

So stating facts is considered "Sulking and Crying" ?

Harbs is saved Alex Smith, he groomed Kaep, the San Fran OLine's BACKUPS are likely better than half of our OLine, Kaep has better playcalling, better Defense and one could argue better WRs/TE.

 

Please start doing some research before spewing out opinions based on your feels.

 

Bc imo my "feels" are correct. If you guys will just quit being homers and blinding yourself with all these records Cam broke instead of facing the fact that Cam cant win under pressures then yall see the truths. Go ask another fan base other than here, and see what they think of Cam and what he lacks as a QB. Cam have not win a big time game here in a Carolina uniform other than beating a 5th round rookie QB and the Houston Texans without their DC (Phillips) in 2011.

 

If Cam's upside is higher, how come he hasnt reach that point yet after two years? Kaep was a much rawer QB than Cam coming out and he played under a full time read-option system at Nevada compared to Cam at Auburn. Let's quit assuming that Cam has the higher upside. Kaep does and he has shown that at this point in time, he is a greater passer than Cam.

 

My prediction is, if Cam doesn't manage to throw for at least "24 TD" passes this season, we're all going to be watching the Playoffs without the Carolina Panthers again. Cam ran for 22 totals TDs his first two seasons and he managed to win us 13 games. Assuming that we do go with less of the read-option throughout this season, I would assume it'd be pretty tough for Cam to come close to what he had last season (8 rushing tds). If that passing td category doesnt increase drastically for Cam, we wont have nothing to cheer for after week 17.

 

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Im going to end up buying all 22 I know it :(

Yea, that play looks completely different from the end zone cam.

 

I got the impression that this play is designed to go to 89 and he is actually staring down the MLB, He locks onto smith after he passes behind #54. The throw is behind Smith and that is why it's a near pick, plain and simple to me..

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Yeah let's compare Kaepernick on arguably the best team in the NFL right now from top to bottom on both sides of the ball with one of the best coaches in the league to Cam, a makeshift o line, this receiver core, and Ron Rivera....

 

The sad thing about Chuck is, he is 100% serious with his statements. It's mind boggling.

 

The sad thing about TheRed is, he is still 100% sucking onto my balls. It's mind boggling. Get off my balls.

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Of course all you can respond with is middle school level insults.

Not everyone has to agree with your uninformed "opinions" Chuck.

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Of course all you can respond with is middle school level insults.

Not everyone has to agree with your uninformed "opinions" Chuck.

 

Get lost Red. I'm sick and tired of you supposedly "joking" around, "attacking" me, mentioning my names, etc. every single other day bc you can't let go of a disagreement we had in the past. Quit holding a damn GRUDGE and leave me the fug alone. Grow the hell up. Ive told you this on more than one occasion already. I'm entitled to my own "opinions" whether you like it or not. No one is right and no one is wrong. You dont like it, move along. It's a fuggn talking forum dude! A fuggn "forum", so dont make it a life for u. I come on here to read updates of the team and post my opinions just like everyone else. You dont have to mention/attack my name in every one of your post bc your still BITTER about the past.

 

Grow the hell up Red! This is as nice as I can tell you. This place have become a "JOKE" the last couple of years bc we have mods/admins who cant take control of this place, and people who wants to be assholes like you around here.

 

Talk about "FOOTBALL" and quit insulting others' opinions!!! I dont insult your intelligence, so dont insult mines.

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Here is a capture from the pass to Smith that was nearly intercepted.

 

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Things I notice ...

 

3 defenders on the right with 2 options. 2 defenders on the left with 2 receivers.

 

A) Smitty is not open. He is covered up pretty well by the DB. The underneath taken away by the linebacker.

 

B ) Ginn, hidden behind fox logo, is open and looking for the ball. He ran a great route and got the needed separation.

 

C) Lafell apparently is neither open nor looking for the ball.

 

D) Pretty decent pass protection, except for Bell.

 

 

Watching the play, Cam never takes his eyes off Smith, sadly.

 

 

So Cam has Delhomme Disease just Great!  Might as well retire him now.

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Bc imo my "feels" are correct. If you guys will just quit being homers and blinding yourself with all these records Cam broke instead of facing the fact that Cam cant win under pressures then yall see the truths. Go ask another fan base other than here, and see what they think of Cam and what he lacks as a QB. Cam have not win a big time game here in a Carolina uniform other than beating a 5th round rookie QB and the Houston Texans without their DC (Phillips) in 2011.

 

 

In your opinion your opinion is correct, you don't say...

 

So if we ignore the evidence and just go off your bullshit "feels" we can see that losses "under pressures" are Cam's fault and his fault alone. 

 

If we go to another message board, which is sure to be full of unbiased and educated opinions like yours we can hear their dipshit opinions that will mirror your dipshit opinion?

 

and if we throw out Cam's wins and add plenty of discredits we will see Cam can't win a big game. Because the Saints last year didn't have Peyton, and Atlanta was just bored and didn't care, and and and....

 

 

If Cam's upside is higher, how come he hasnt reach that point yet after two years? Kaep was a much rawer QB than Cam coming out and he played under a full time read-option system at Nevada compared to Cam at Auburn. Let's quit assuming that Cam has the higher upside. Kaep does and he has shown that at this point in time, he is a greater passer than Cam

 

 

So lets recap all this:

1) Kaep needed more refinement than Cam, despite having played in MAC his entire college career compared to Cam who played a year of ...poo D5? and then started at AU and won a national title. Ya know what, I'll even concede this point and agree Kaep needed more work, because the rest is so stupid I don't need this...

 

. 2)Cam's offense at Auburn wasn't a read-options system, I suppose it was some magical fuging unicorn offense that looked exactly like the read-option. Instead of the Read-Option  maybe it was the Illiterate-NoAnswer 

 

3)Lets just drop the idea that Cam had more upside, because it goes against everything ever written about him

 

4) In Kaeps 7-8 games he has obviously shown more than Cam's 32 games so we should just ignore any effects having a QB guru for a coach has likely helped Kaep and ignore that Cam's best teacher was likely George Whitfield and Don Shula's fugtard son.

 

 

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My prediction is, if Cam doesn't manage to throw for at least "24 TD" passes this season, we're all going to be watching the Playoffs without the Carolina Panthers again. Cam ran for 22 totals TDs his first two seasons and he managed to win us 13 games. Assuming that we do go with less of the read-option throughout this season, I would assume it'd be pretty tough for Cam to come close to what he had last season (8 rushing tds). If that passing td category doesnt increase drastically for Cam, we wont have nothing to cheer for after week 17.

 

 

 

Thats pretty bold man...you mean if Cam doesn't average more that 1.3 touchdowns a game this season that Panthers might not make the Playoffs? I mean poo, I can't even process such a bold opinion.

 

You should add " I bets ifs Cams threws more Inceptions than TD's totals in the seasons the Panthers teams probably most likely wont be really much good"

 

 

Don't be mad, this is Huddle tough love, I'll make you a better poster, I swears.

 

 

 

 

Here is the deal. 

Cam is raw, is improving and still needs help. Panther fans can either be patient, supporting and critique with some level of intellect OR they can make posts like yours

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In your opinion your opinion is correct, you don't say...

 

So if we ignore the evidence and just go off your bullshit "feels" we can see that losses "under pressures" are Cam's fault and his fault alone. 

 

If we go to another message board, which is sure to be full of unbiased and educated opinions like yours we can hear their dipshit opinions that will mirror your dipshit opinion?

 

and if we throw out Cam's wins and add plenty of discredits we will see Cam can't win a big game. Because the Saints last year didn't have Peyton, and Atlanta was just bored and didn't care, and and and....

 

 

So lets recap all this:

1) Kaep needed more refinement than Cam, despite having played in MAC his entire college career compared to Cam who played a year of ...poo D5? and then started at AU and won a national title. Ya know what, I'll even concede this point and agree Kaep needed more work, because the rest is so stupid I don't need this...

 

. 2)Cam's offense at Auburn wasn't a read-options system, I suppose it was some magical fuging unicorn offense that looked exactly like the read-option. Instead of the Read-Option  maybe it was the Illiterate-NoAnswer 

 

3)Lets just drop the idea that Cam had more upside, because it goes against everything ever written about him

 

4) In Kaeps 7-8 games he has obviously shown more than Cam's 32 games so we should just ignore any effects having a QB guru for a coach has likely helped Kaep and ignore that Cam's best teacher was likely George Whitfield and Don Shula's fugtard son.

 

 

...

 

 

Thats pretty bold man...you mean if Cam doesn't average more that 1.3 touchdowns a game this season that Panthers might not make the Playoffs? I mean poo, I can't even process such a bold opinion.

 

You should add " I bets ifs Cams threws more Inceptions than TD's totals in the seasons the Panthers teams probably most likely wont be really much good"

 

 

Don't be mad, this is Huddle tough love, I'll make you a better poster, I swears.

 

 

 

 

Here is the deal. 

Cam is raw, is improving and still needs help. Panther fans can either be patient, supporting and critique with some level of intellect OR they can make posts like yours

 

Im done talking to you. I respect your opinions, but this isnt the first time you insulted one of my post. And again, trying to "break" me down in the past, and now trying to make me a "better" poster?? LMFAO Kurb. Who's to say that you are a good poster yourself, but only you. The only reason why there's a hundred people backing you up is bc they're afraid of being bant so they sucker up to and agree to every good and retarted post you make.

 

I never said I wasnt a Cam supporter. Ive been a supporter day one and vouched to draft the man before the draft. But, I forgot that it's illegal to critique Cam on this board. I dont need no one to agree with me. Im entitled to my opinions.

 

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Im done talking to you. I respect your opinions, but this isnt the first time you insulted one of my post. And again, trying to "break" me down in the past, and now trying to make me a "better" poster?? LMFAO Kurb. Who's to say that you are a good poster yourself, but only you. The only reason why there's a hundred people backing you up is bc they're afraid of being bant so they sucker up to and agree to every good and retarted post you make.

 

I never said I wasnt a Cam supporter. Ive been a supporter day one and vouched to draft the man before the draft. But, I forgot that it's illegal to critique Cam on this board. I dont need no one to agree with me. Im entitled to my opinions.

 

 

Is it better to be feared or loved ? I say why not both?

 

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