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Best Answer nosuchthingasapanther, 10 September 2013 - 01:42 PM

from the same article, greg olsen...

 

 

 

“When you look back, it’s easy to second-guess everything. I thought our plan was good,” Olsen said. “I thought we had them on their heels at different times. We made critical errors. And that’s not the plays, that’s the guys running them. Between the drops on third down and penalties or turnovers, it’s hard to beat a good team when you do that.”

 

 

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#136 teeray

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:04 PM

Yeah. If I recall correctly he was asked specifically if he thought the passing game was too conservative and he for say yes he did.

But it seemed more of a throw away line as he spent the next several sentences throwing out caveats about why we didn't get more opportunities.

He talked about reads and progressions, the defense taking that away, and Cam scrambling on a play where they may have had a shot.

To me it didn't sound like a guy when was upset with the play calling as much as he was disappointed we didn't get more opportunities.

That is how I took it anyway.

#137 mav1234

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:17 PM

I disagree, Tee, he also remarked we need to throw the ball more, and get the balance back on offense.

 

I think it's clear watching the game we missed opportunities, but even Rivera can see that we're going to need more explosive plays than what we got in order to win, and that, in Rivera's words, "So there are some things that need to be looked at on both sides in terms of getting the ball vertical."  It's more than just the players.

 



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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:23 PM

Yea we made a lot of mistakes but so did Seattle. They still came up on top and they should have had more. I have no faith in Shula personally and think him and Rivera here is just a bunch of crap. But, I'll still sit and wait to be wrong, st least the defense will be amazing this year.



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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:27 PM

I disagree, Tee, he also remarked we need to throw the ball more, and get the balance back on offense.

 

I think it's clear watching the game we missed opportunities, but even Rivera can see that we're going to need more explosive plays than what we got in order to win, and that, in Rivera's words, "So there are some things that need to be looked at on both sides in terms of getting the ball vertical."  It's more than just the players.

Yeah it is gameplanning by the coaches to beat Buffalo that is what they are going to be doing. Going back and changing things because of the Seattle game- not at all.  No one but the huddle posters are so focused on last Sunday.  Players and coaches are looking ahead.  They are going to be looking at the gameplan and practicing more vertical plays in practice so Cam feels more comfortable and will be more likely to pull the trigger.  They are looking at what Buffalo did against New England to anticipate what they will do against us defensively.  That is more than the players but not in the sense you suggest.   



#140 mav1234

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:32 PM

...pretty sure they were referring specifically to our game on Sunday and looking over that film and deciding that the offense was too conservative for a multitude of reasons.



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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:48 PM

...pretty sure they were referring specifically to our game on Sunday and looking over that film and deciding that the offense was too conservative for a multitude of reasons.

Why do you think they watch film Einstein, to bitch and moan about last week or to figure out what to do next week.  And yes it was too conservative last week but for the 50th time, it wasn't the gameplan to be that conservative, it was Cam taking what they gave him and reluctance to throw it deep although the routes were there.  Olsen and cam both said the gameplan was fine and it was player execution and bot seeing receivers deep.  But lets ignore that coming from the players themselves and keep blaming the coached because that fits into the box you have already created and won't give up.

 

 

I  thought the 24 hours was over.  Why are you still looking back and complaining??



#142 mav1234

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:57 PM

Why do you think they watch film Einstein, to bitch and moan about last week or to figure out what to do next week.  And yes it was too conservative last week but for the 50th time, it wasn't the gameplan to be that conservative, it was Cam taking what they gave him and reluctance to throw it deep although the routes were there.  Olsen and cam both said the gameplan was fine and it was player execution and bot seeing receivers deep.  But lets ignore that coming from the players themselves and keep blaming the coached because that fits into the box you have already created and won't give up.

 

 

I  thought the 24 hours was over.  Why are you still looking back and complaining??

 

since you seem to have trouble with this, let me break it down for you.

 

It's a grim statistic, and one day later, Panthers coach Ron Rivera was asked a question that had an obvious answer: Is Carolina's approach too conservative?

"Yes it is," Rivera replied at a news conference Monday. "In the inverse, there were a few that were dropped that would have been longer. So there are some things that need to be looked at on both sides in terms of getting the ball vertical.

 

Players didn't execute.  Coaches called a conservative game.  Whether it was too conservative or not, depends on the person.  Rivera seems to think it was - though obviously you think he's lying about that, or something.   The "Both sides" is referring both to player execution and coaching.

 

The entire fuging reason we're posting about this is because we want the offense to be less conservative in the future.  Luckily, Rivera agrees.  In contrast to what you are saying, he has indicated it is not just on the players.



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Posted 10 September 2013 - 10:14 PM

The 24 hour rule is in effect.... No wait!

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 10:22 PM

since you seem to have trouble with this, let me break it down for you.

 

 

Players didn't execute.  Coaches called a conservative game.  Whether it was too conservative or not, depends on the person.  Rivera seems to think it was - though obviously you think he's lying about that, or something.   The "Both sides" is referring both to player execution and coaching.

 

The entire fuging reason we're posting about this is because we want the offense to be less conservative in the future.  Luckily, Rivera agrees.  In contrast to what you are saying, he has indicated it is not just on the players.

But the reason he thinks it was conservative and the reason you do are different.  He knows that the gameplan was fine and so do the players. He knows that cam was the reason it was conservative and he is fine with that since it was Seattle.  He also knows that Buffalo doesn't have the defense that Seattle does so he needs to be more vertical. He intends to do that by helping cam watch film and practice all week.

 

Show me one place where he has said the gameplan specifically was too conservative. Saying both sides is Rivera's way of deflecting criticism from the players and taking the blame himself which he always does. You are taking 1 sentence and trying to make it fit your agenda. I have 2 players  Cam and Olsen specifically saying the game plan was fine and that player execution was the problem  Believe what you want I prefer to believe what the players say since they have no reason to blame themselves unless it was true. 

 

Can we move on to next week?  I know I am so keep arguing with yourself. 



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Posted 10 September 2013 - 10:53 PM

add steve smith to the list of players who defends the play calling/game plan.

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 11:36 PM

we could always bring this guy back :stuff:

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 12:39 AM

The Panthers offense reminds me of the offense for my Oakland A's. the A's don't have a bunch of high average hitters that are going to bat through the lineup in an inning and score 4 runs on 6 hits. They walk, get a base hit, then hit home runs.

That's what the Panthers need to get back to. Methodical drives that get 3 or 4 first downs followed by a punt or field goal isn't really this teams formula for success. We need to have those home run type plays or the points aren't gonna come IMHO.

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 03:26 AM

We need to be able to score whether it's long drives or short, fast or protracted. 

If the offense was successfully moving the ball, the coaching staff would be considered geniuses.

There either had to be some downfield receivers open, or we need to try different receivers.

You can win few games by dinking and dunking.  125 yards.  125 yards is not enough.

Put in Anderson or Edwards if you have to, but 125 yards will normally never be enough, even if our D plays great.




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