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#16 AceBoogie

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 05:54 AM

I'm on record in saying in a game like that the offense did its job up until that fumble. Even with that fumble an elite defense would have forced Seattle to punt and give the offense back the ball with good field position.

Before someone says the defense was tired I call bullshit. Teams built around defense need to find a way to get off the field that's an excuse.

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 06:14 AM

have i landed in some magical fairy turd land where points and winning don't matter?

 

we only scored seven and we lost. yay. everything is awesome.



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Posted 11 September 2013 - 06:22 AM

have i landed in some magical fairy turd land where points and winning don't matter?

we only scored seven and we lost. yay. everything is awesome.


We could of had more points and been worse offensively....

Could of had more possessions and managed more points.... Yet been worse.

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 06:23 AM

have i landed in some magical fairy turd land where points and winning don't matter?

we only scored seven and we lost. yay. everything is awesome.


If the defense doesn't give up the lead we win correct? Doesn't matter if its 7-6 or 35-34 a defensive minded coach such as Ron will tell you the same. Would be a different story if they got the ball back for the O but they couldn't just like last year against Seattle, Bears, Falcons, and Bucs.

That's what a Rivera defense is all about play good D for 3 1/2 quarters but we all know if the opposing team has the ball at the end of the game we lose.

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 06:23 AM

I respect the insanely complicated amount of work that goes into their analysis of games.  It's really insane (to me at least, and I'm math neutral!).

 

BUT!  While the numbers of per play average, or yards per rush, or completion percentage, or 3rd down conversion, may look great (terrible sentence structure, I'm tired); you can not make up for the fact that we didn't make the plays needed to win.  The numbers lose out to the guys on the field.  We left points on the board thanks to drops, fumbles, and plainly not making plays.

 

I don't think it's the end of the world by any means.  At some point, the ball will bounce our way (i.e. the luck factor), but until we start finishing drives, catching those balls, and taking some calculated risks offensively, we're not going to win as often as the numbers say we will.

 

About of defense:  we held the Seahawks to 12 points.  I mean, in today's offense first NFL, that's a great number.  That gives your offense a great chance to win.  Sure, would have been swell to stop Seattle after the fumble.  Golly, I was hoping and wishing for Luke or the Kracken or anyone to make a game saving play.  The fact is, they already set the offense up to win by keeping Seattle out of the end zone, aside from one huge play.  The game was on the O.

 

Finally, we could very well end up as one of the best teams in football this year.  The key is we have to make the plays that winners make.  Like Seattle on those two, back to back pass attempts.  Looks brilliant because it worked.  If we don't win games, the numbers will mean about as much as my opinion.



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Posted 11 September 2013 - 06:26 AM

Haven't we been saying that at some point the ball will bounce our way for a few years now?  It gets old...



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Posted 11 September 2013 - 06:39 AM

I respect the insanely complicated amount of work that goes into their analysis of games. It's really insane (to me at least, and I'm math neutral!).

BUT! While the numbers of per play average, or yards per rush, or completion percentage, or 3rd down conversion, may look great (terrible sentence structure, I'm tired); you can not make up for the fact that we didn't make the plays needed to win. The numbers lose out to the guys on the field. We left points on the board thanks to drops, fumbles, and plainly not making plays.

I don't think it's the end of the world by any means. At some point, the ball will bounce our way (i.e. the luck factor), but until we start finishing drives, catching those balls, and taking some calculated risks offensively, we're not going to win as often as the numbers say we will.

About of defense: we held the Seahawks to 12 points. I mean, in today's offense first NFL, that's a great number. That gives your offense a great chance to win. Sure, would have been swell to stop Seattle after the fumble. Golly, I was hoping and wishing for Luke or the Kracken or anyone to make a game saving play. The fact is, they already set the offense up to win by keeping Seattle out of the end zone, aside from one huge play. The game was on the O.

Finally, we could very well end up as one of the best teams in football this year. The key is we have to make the plays that winners make. Like Seattle on those two, back to back pass attempts. Looks brilliant because it worked. If we don't win games, the numbers will mean about as much as my opinion.


One could argue that the offense gave the defense a lead and it's their job as a defensive team to protect that lead they didn't. It's different if its an offensive shoot out then it's up to the offense to keep scoring. In that game if you have to win it 7-6 you have to get it done.

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 06:40 AM

have i landed in some magical fairy turd land where points and winning don't matter?

we only scored seven and we lost. yay. everything is awesome.

No one is saying everything was awesome. Just that the offense in the general sense performed in a way that was to be expected considering the circumstances of the game.

We were not going to have very many scoring opportunities on average.

The thing I think everyone agrees on is we did not take advantage of the opportunities we did have and it resulted in only 7 points.

The point I have been trying to make is that I am not as discouraged about our offense after further analysis because eventually the offense will progress back to the mean. In other words we won't always have crucial drops and fumbles, and so those possessions will result in points in the future if we keep doing what we are doing as things statistically even out, so to speak.

To put it another way, scoring only 7 points was likely due more to variance than offensive ineptitude.

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 07:01 AM

One could argue that the offense gave the defense a lead and it's their job as a defensive team to protect that lead they didn't. It's different if its an offensive shoot out then it's up to the offense to keep scoring. In that game if you have to win it 7-6 you have to get it done.

 

I agree that is a perfectly acceptable mind set, but I disagree in the context of the NFL as it currently is played.  It was much easier to do that in the days of the Ricky Manning Jr heyday (I'll never forget Chicago!), but the NFL rules make it much easier to throw and catch.  I'd love to see Thomas make a play on that, but he didn't.  He got lucky the first time, and then Seattle went right back to him.  Ballsy.  If that ball wasn't well thrown, we're celebrating.  Is that an excuse?  Maybe.  But the NFL has made this a scoring league.  We didn't, hence we did not win.  Though I hope in the future, we're able to make that play.



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Posted 11 September 2013 - 07:05 AM

One could argue that the offense gave the defense a lead and it's their job as a defensive team to protect that lead they didn't.


I'm not sure how many people believe 7 points will win a NFL game.

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 07:08 AM

I'm not sure how many people believe 7 points will win a NFL game.


12 points did that's not even a full score more.

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 07:11 AM

12 points did that's not even a full score more.



Would u put money on it this weekend for any NFL game? 7 points will win?

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 07:16 AM

have i landed in some magical fairy turd land where points and winning don't matter?
 
we only scored seven and we lost. yay. everything is awesome.

No you landed into a discussion about a defensive struggle where turnovers and mistakes limited the offensive opportunities and make each possession critical. No one is happy with 7 points or a loss but they have perspective and an ability to see things more objectively.

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 07:17 AM

Would u put money on it this weekend for any NFL game? 7 points will win?


Of course not but let's not act like 7 points has never won a game. My point is this team has been built around defense correct? It was a defensive battle. Their d made a play at the end and ours didn't. We get the ball back maybe we score and win 14-12 or maybe their offense comes back on the field and scores and we lose 14-19.

The defense isn't getting a pass with me. They played a great game but once again couldn't finish

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 07:17 AM

I don't think we were close to 9th best, as 7 PTs simply isn't enough. But we weren't terrible, just off at crucial moments. We need to refine and improve, not panic.


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