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#1 Zod

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 05:23 AM

Who is to blame for the god awful offense? Rivera or Shula? Both?

 

My stance this offseason was this....

 


In the past Shula was overly conservative, unable to develop winning strategies, and unable to make any in game adjustments whatsoever.
 
We can only hope that over the past few years he has improved a great deal in these areas through working for Chud.

 

Many of you blasted me for it, calling it an unfair assessment.

 

Overly conservative - check

Unable to develop winning strategies - check

no effective in game adjustments - check

 

But my question is this, are you of the same opinion that these things are caused by Rivera as you were convinced Dungy caused them in Tampa Bay?

 

If Rivera were to have zero input of the offense on game days and let Shula call plays unbridled, would we have a better offense?



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 05:34 AM

I'm tired of the coaching staff as a whole. I don't care whose fault it is I want them all gone.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 05:36 AM

Uh San Fran only scored 3 pts against Seattle and Brady looked like poo against the bills.

If Dwill doesn't fumble maybe we win the game. Or maybe the defense gives up another late td.
If the defense gets a stop at the end of the bills hey we win again.

My problem with this team is that instead of getting Cam some help. They build the defense up. So I don't want to hear they only got fgs and not tds. That's play calling and lack of talent mainly on the offensive line.

It all falls down on Rivera. He wanted the defense built up he said it from day 1 he would stick to what he knows and thats all he knows is defense. The best offensive mind we have is Shula?? That's not going to get it done. Rivera wanted defense so the defense needs to get it done at the end of games.

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 05:50 AM

I don't think our playcalling was too conservative against the BIlls. We passed annoyingly on almost every 3rd and short and called plenty of deep passes.

 

The situational decisions were too conservative. Probably the 4th or 5th time that Rivera has cost us a game by punting or kicking on 4th and short when we could put the game away by going for it.

 

The playcalling was bad, but I wouldn't describe it as conservative. Shula called plays with slow developing routes, where the o-line had to hold their blocks while receivers ran 15 yards deep and made their moves and their cuts and tried to get open. They formed a pocket for Cam, but they were unable to hold it long enough for the plays that Shula was calling.

 

The two scoring drives both happened when Shula sped up the playcalling, called quick passes (not even necessarily short routes, just ones that weren't so involved and slow), and Cam was able to get the ball out efficiently without getting hit on every snap.

 

After those scoring drives happened, Shula was unable to look at them and see what worked and what didn't, so he went right back to slowing down the pace and the offense collapsed again.

 

There was also a problem with actually getting to the line of scrimmage. Even when we were running the no huddle, it seemed like Cam was racing the clock trying to read the protections and call them out and snap the ball. I don't know if Shula was slow to get the play calls in, or the team was apathetic about getting up to the line, but they looked like snails compared to the Seahawks or 49ers or other teams running a lot of no huddle and snap the ball with 10 seconds left on the clock. The whole point of a no huddle is to catch the defense off guard. It defeats the entire purpose if you let the playclock get to 01 or 00 before you snap it anyways.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 05:55 AM

The two scoring drives both happened when Shula sped up the playcalling, called quick passes (not even necessarily short routes, just ones that weren't so involved and slow), and Cam was able to get the ball out efficiently without getting hit on every snap.

 

After those scoring drives happened, Shula was unable to look at them and see what worked and what didn't, so he went right back to slowing down the pace and the offense collapsed again.

 

Bingo.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 05:59 AM

Who you think tells him to slow it down?

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:01 AM

Who you think tells him to slow it down?

 

I highly doubt Rivera got on the headset and was like "woah slow it down cowboy" after they scored. Shula had a gameplan, and Rivera stuck with it. The sideline reporter at halftime flat out said she spoke with Rivera and he said they were sticking to the gameplan in the second half but "have to execute better."



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:01 AM

as much as people want to blame Rivera for his lack of coaching skills, truth be told, DG put the game in Riveras hands by not signing any OLine help.  6 fuging sacks and could have been so many more if cam was not as quick and elusive as he is.  The offensive line was simply horrible. Cam ran for his life the whole game.  The fact they scored 23 points is a miracle. 

 



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:06 AM

Rivera is the guy that decided Shula was our best option for OC.

 

He has to live or die with that decision.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:07 AM

as much as people want to blame Rivera for his lack of coaching skills, truth be told, DG put the game in Riveras hands by not signing any OLine help.  6 fuging sacks and could have been so many more if cam was not as quick and elusive as he is.  The offensive line was simply horrible. Cam ran for his life the whole game.  The fact they scored 23 points is a miracle. 

 

There are ways to make an offense work with the o-line we have. Especially when you have players like Ginn and Smith and Olsen and a laser rocket arm like Cam's. We showed that on the two scoring drives. It was excellent, efficient, impressive football. Cam wasn't pressured because he had receivers open right away instead of waiting for the route to develop and as a result he was close to perfect.

 

You scheme to have success with the players you have. You don't create a scheme independent of your players and then try to shove them into it. We had enough of that last year with Chud trying to force our RBs to fit the option.

 

Shula decided (probably with pressure from both Rivera and the media/fans) that he was gonna be "aggressive" this week with passes down field and more read option stuff. Both of these things translate to slow developing plays where the o-line has to hold a block. Instead of saying "This is the plan, whether the line can pull it off or not," he should have said "Let's come up with a plan to work around our line and get the most out of our players."



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:08 AM

Rivera is the guy that decided Shula was our best option for OC.

 

He has to live or die with that decision.

 

Very true.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:08 AM

Marguide, on 16 Sept 2013 - 07:06 AM, said:snapback.png

Rivera is the guy that decided Shula was our best option for OC.

 

He has to live or die with that decision.

This. Rivera chose Shula. Both of them