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#1 Upper Deck West End Zone

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 02:54 PM

Just listening to Moving the Chains on Sirius.

 

Jim Miller looked at the first half film of the Buffalo game and saw Cam make basic errors.

 

  • Not making simple reads
  • Missing open receivers
  • Not getting his feet set

 

Pat Kirwan expressed worry that Cam still has problems in year 3 and wondered if Cam can fix the problems.

 

Miller also critcized the first half run/pass ratio which was 30 passes and 10 runs.

 

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Please don't shoot the messenger.

 

 

 



#2 Former Bill On Vacation

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 02:56 PM

No doubt the Panthers are not running the ball enough but with 3/4 of  your backfield hurt its no wonder



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 03:04 PM

Ive been saying for going on 3 years now that CAM has issues with setting his feet. He's always throwing the damn ball off of his back foot. This cause a more arm shoulder throw and does not allow him to follow through with the pass. Making the pass sail high most of the time.

 



#4 jtnc

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 03:07 PM

Who and who?

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 03:11 PM

Hard to set your feet with poor protection



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 03:12 PM

Yeah I heard this conversation.  The most concerning part they said about his development (or lack there of), was not being able to read the defensive coverage.  Simple "over/under" coverage was not being noticed by Cam, and that it's almost like he already knows who he's going to throw it to before the snap.

 

 

Who and who?

Rich Gannon (former OAK QB) & Pat Kirwin (former GM/position coach)

 

Both are very knowledgeable IMO

 

edit:  Sorry I thought it was Rich Gannon when I was listening.  Jim Miller was a QB for the Giants...



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 03:15 PM

And he still had 2 tds and 230 yards and had us in a position to win both games. damn get a good coach in carolina to work with him.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 03:15 PM

Hard to set your feet with poor protection

 

 

Cam had enough protection.  The plays took to long to develop and he would stare down his primary receiver.



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 03:15 PM

Yeah I heard this conversation.  The most concerning part they said about his development (or lack there of), was not being able to read the defensive coverage.  Simple "over/under" coverage was not being noticed by Cam, and that it's almost like he already knows who he's going to throw it to before the snap.

 

 

Rich Gannon (former OAK QB) & Pat Kirwin (former GM/position coach)

 

Both are very knowledgeable IMO

 

That is concerning. But what if this has to do with the move to a more traditional, conservative offense? I don't think Cam could have the explosive season he did like his rookie year and not be able to read a defense.

 

I just hope Cam isn't one of those players that's full of sht. Every week he talks about hard work and getting better. Yadayadayada. Cam is an exciting player but he needs to hit his stride soon.



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 03:36 PM

And he still had 2 tds and 230 yards and had us in a position to win both games. damn get a good coach in carolina to work with him.

 

If you sit and think, it really is quite sad.

 

We draft a talent like Cam in 2011 first overall. Who do we hire to be his QB coach? Mike Shula, wait, who is this guy? Fast forward to 2013, Shula is OC, and who is Cam's QB coach this year? You guessed it, a cheap nobody.

 

Dorsey was hired as a scout here initially and has zero coaching background. The only QB worth a damn that Shula had worked with was the great David Garrard. Yet people want to run our quarterback out of town.

 

Remember all our special teams struggles? What do we do to alleviate this? Hire a new coach? Nope, we just promote from within and hope for the best and that the unit will magically turn things around out of nowhere.

 

Fans are screaming for Rivera's head, and yes that is deservedly so obviously, but he is just one of many bargain basement hires that have come right from the top. Until JR changes his ways, we aren't going anywhere.



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 03:39 PM

I think Cam is just used to making throws on his arm alone.. And hes not used to stepping up in the pocket, rather escaping out the back. I can't imagine Cam not going through pocket presence drills in practice though, so i dont know what the deal is.

 

O-Line is the main cause here in my opinion.



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 03:41 PM

Yeah I heard this conversation.  The most concerning part they said about his development (or lack there of), was not being able to read the defensive coverage.  Simple "over/under" coverage was not being noticed by Cam, and that it's almost like he already knows who he's going to throw it to before the snap.

 

 

Rich Gannon (former OAK QB) & Pat Kirwin (former GM/position coach)

 

Both are very knowledgeable IMO

 

edit:  Sorry I thought it was Rich Gannon when I was listening.  Jim Miller was a QB for the Giants...

Miller was with the Giants for his last year as a backup but his best years if you can call them that was with Chicago from 1998 through 2002.



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 03:43 PM

Cam was throwing off his back foot a lot in that game but pressure created by our offensive line caused some of it.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 03:48 PM

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A WHOLE PIE!

You are blaming Shula and Dorsey for basic problems that Cam should have fixed in high school or college. Lets be real here, Shula and Dorsey have both worked on fixing Cam's bad habits as have Whitfield, Weinke and others.  This isn't rocket science.  Throwing off you back foot is a result of not being prepared to throw, holding the ball until pressure arrives and not stepping up because you don't want to or can't.  Reading defenses is a matter of watching film and applying it to game situations.  You can't keep scapegoating all the coaches.  The fact that this is year 3 and Cam is not fundamentally sound is on him and no one else.



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 03:50 PM

Cam was throwing off his back foot a lot in that game but pressure created by our offensive line caused some of it.

He throws off his back foot even when not pressured and holds the ball to the last minute where he has no choice but to throw off his back foot.  Sure some of those sacks were on the O line and Bell for sure but he holds it longer than any other QB in the league.




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