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#1 fieryprophet

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:52 PM

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Slot corner D.J. Moore recognized the Bills were likely to run a smash concept with the two receivers to that side, sending the outside receiver on a slant and the inside guy on a corner route. He desperately signaled to RCB Josh Norman to switch if the receivers cross. Instead of each tracking their man on their respective patterns, if the receivers cross the corners would switch assignments and track the incoming man, putting them ahead of the play and not trailing it — something vital in these tight quarters down by the end zone.


So, to illustrate why Norman hasn't been starting despite his preseason showing, it's apparent that he is still struggling to understand situational coverages. While some here will blame coaching for him failing to recognize the obvious, notice that DJ Moore, who is a newcomer to the Panthers defense, knew exactly what was going on.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:54 PM

i thought this was already known



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:56 PM

Were we out of timeouts at the end of the game?

 

Seems like there was only one play left and would be a good time to make sure our makeshift defense knew what the heck their assignments were



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:57 PM

Ron had two time outs and didn't use one. How about be a coach and help your young guys if you see there is a problem. I guess it is more beneficial to finish the game with those two time outs then to actually use them when needed.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:59 PM

Rivera loves to take timeouts home with him for some reason.



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:04 PM

Why bring this up. I just started feeling good today and was ready for sunday.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:06 PM

Rivera loves to take timeouts home with him for some reason.

 

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:10 PM

Why take a timeout and give the Bills free time to decide on a play when they're the ones playing against the clock? And how are the coaches supposed to know that Norman didn't understand what Moore clearly indicated to him? It was only after the game was over that Norman claimed to have not gotten a signal while the rest of the defense was like "WTF, you were right there!"

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:15 PM

Our defense needs to stop folding in the 2nd half. It's like we make no adjustments and others do instead

 

We also need to blitz more



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:28 PM

The kid is raw, very raw.  But, he has shown flashes. 

 

If only there was a way...a mechanism....or a procedure.....a process to take players that have potential and turn that into performance.  Then, think of it!  If someone discovered this magical potion they could instruct or, teach if you will, this new found way of doing things and players would get better and better.

 

Oh, the possibilities!

 

But, what would we call this person or persons that could impart such knowledge?



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:31 PM

The kid is raw, very raw. But, he has shown flashes.

If only there was a way...a mechanism....or a procedure.....a process to take players that have potential and turn that into performance. Then, think of it! If someone discovered this magical potion they could instruct or, teach if you will, this new found way of doing things and players would get better and better.

Oh, the possibilities!

But, what would we call this person or persons that could impart such knowledge?


I agree, but you can't force the metaphorical light to come on. Norman strikes me as a man coverage specialist who is trying to figure out the zone defensive schemes we utilize a lot. That requires a skill set different from his strengths, and it seems he's a slow learner.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:50 PM

I agree, but you can't force the metaphorical light to come on. Norman strikes me as a man coverage specialist who is trying to figure out the zone defensive schemes we utilize a lot. That requires a skill set different from his strengths, and it seems he's a slow learner.

 

Aristotle he ain't, I will agree.  My whole point was, where is the progression?  Where is the evidence of any coaching whatsoever?  Where is the progression on this team at any position?

 

Name any player at any position that appears to have progressed because of coaching on this team during the Rivera era AND BEFORE YOU GUYS GET ON THAT BANDWAGON, Kuechly progressed because he was "forced" into his natural position.  Coaching has nothing to do with Kuechly.

 

Every player we have is treading water or regressing.  No one appears to be making strides and that includes the WR Corps so I will also step on the toes of our sacred cow, Mr. Proehl also.

 

Coaches...........do your damn job!  For most of you, you waited too late.

 

Hopefully Morrison and Gettleman can fix this moving forward.

 

Sorry.

 

//rant over

 



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 11:00 PM

Aristotle he ain't, I will agree. My whole point was, where is the progression? Where is the evidence of any coaching whatsoever? Where is the progression on this team at any position?

Name any player at any position that appears to have progressed because of coaching on this team during the Rivera era AND BEFORE YOU GUYS GET ON THAT BANDWAGON, Kuechly progressed because he was "forced" into his natural position. Coaching has nothing to do with Kuechly.

Every player we have is treading water or regressing. No one appears to be making strides and that includes the WR Corps so I will also step on the toes of our sacred cow, Mr. Proehl also.

Coaches...........do your damn job! For most of you, you waited too late.

Hopefully Morrison and Gettleman can fix this moving forward.

Sorry.

//rant over


Hardy (even though he has been MIA of late) definitely progressed under Rivera. Olsen is playing better than he ever did with the Bears. Gamble had one of his best seasons in 2011 under Rivera. Johnson posted his best season under Rivera. And it's not fair to separate Kuechly from the coaching when the whole defensive scheme has been built around him since he made the move to MLB. And Star has shown almost none of the typical rookie struggles, which is almost unheard of for a DT. And I wouldn't say that Cam has regressed so much as he has been put into a system that may hold him back initially but allow him to succeed better long-term if it can instill more consistent habits. Everyone here may dislike the new "pocket passer" Cam but the fact is that the game will always be played first and foremost from the pocket, so he must acclimate himself to it.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 11:16 PM

Hardy (even though he has been MIA of late) definitely progressed under Rivera. Olsen is playing better than he ever did with the Bears. Gamble had one of his best seasons in 2011 under Rivera. Johnson posted his best season under Rivera. And it's not fair to separate Kuechly from the coaching when the whole defensive scheme has been built around him since he made the move to MLB. And Star has shown almost none of the typical rookie struggles, which is almost unheard of for a DT. And I wouldn't say that Cam has regressed so much as he has been put into a system that may hold him back initially but allow him to succeed better long-term if it can instill more consistent habits. Everyone here may dislike the new "pocket passer" Cam but the fact is that the game will always be played first and foremost from the pocket, so he must acclimate himself to it.

 

Hardy has disappeared.

Olsen is as good as we thought he would be, not better.

Gamble, no comment.

Johnson, I will give you.

Kuechly, not buying it, he got better with position change, not coaching.

Star, previously projected #1 doing well?  Kind of expected.

 

Me and you 'till the end FP but I want to see discernible improvement, not improvement that can be possibly attributed to a human being being one year older.

 

I will let it go, you win. 

 

Rivera and staff are doing well.  I just don't see it.
 



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Posted 18 September 2013 - 11:26 PM

Hardy has disappeared.
Olsen is as good as we thought he would be, not better.
Gamble, no comment.
Johnson, I will give you.
Kuechly, not buying it, he got better with position change, not coaching.
Star, previously projected #1 doing well? Kind of expected.

Me and you 'till the end FP but I want to see discernible improvement, not improvement that can be possibly attributed to a human being being one year older.

I will let it go, you win.

Rivera and staff are doing well. I just don't see it.


The one area I'm really wondering where the heck the coaching staff has been is the offensive line. Bell took a small step forward last year but has looked almost as bad as his rookie self this year. Silatolu made strides late last season and now seems to have fallen off, Gross has continued to decline (to be expected with age) and Hangartner was a weak link that got cut and now is probably being begged to return. I can understand the secondary being abysmal because the talent back there is just not on par with the rest of the league, and as a whole the front seven has improved from its atrocious state in 2011 (even if a lot can be attributed to talent and not coaching) but the offensive line just seems to have dissipated.


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