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x-post from /r/Panthers....how we're all feeling about Rivera


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#16 Cyberjag

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:34 AM

So what...

 

Just pointing out that he was given 10 years, Lovie Smith was fired after a playoff apperance. Like I said, everybody has to win now or he is a bum and needs to be fired. Maybe if we could be more patient we might actually have a winning team, but with every loss the coach needs to be fired.

 

This isn't Madden and in reality sometimes things take time to get right.

 

Is Rivera right for this team? Only time will tell and the world doesn't have time anymore.

 

Cowher was 11-5 his first season, 9-7 his second, and 12-4 his third.  If Rivera was putting on that type of job performance, no one would be saying a word.

 

Really kind of an apples to oranges comparison...
 



#17 Fox007

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:35 AM

We haven't had 3 losing seasons.... yet

 

I know.....:)

 

 

I'm assuming Rivera is really what his other games say he is.

 

I hope I'm wrong.



#18 Jangler

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:36 AM

Maybe he was given 10 years because his first 6 years were winning/playoff seasons...LOL...it's not that hard to understand.

 

Rivera is to this point on his way to 3 straight losing seasons....again compare apples to apples...you are way off at this point.

 

 

 

HINT: you'd need to find a coach who had 3 losing seasons then won a superbowl with the same team

 

Not really, but I see you want to bitch about this...

 

 

Chuck Noll first three seasons..12-30

 

Bill Walsh  first two season   8-24

 

Tom Landry first five seasons 25-53

 

 

I am not comparing Rivera to these coaches, but they were given time to win.



#19 MechaZain

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:38 AM

So what...

 

Just pointing out that he was given 10 years, Lovie Smith was fired after a playoff apperance. Like I said, everybody has to win now or he is a bum and needs to be fired. Maybe if we could be more patient we might actually have a winning team, but with every loss the coach needs to be fired.

 

This isn't Madden and in reality sometimes things take time to get right.

 

Is Rivera right for this team? Only time will tell and the world doesn't have time anymore.

 

He wasn't "given" ten years though, Cowher was a winning coach from the beginning. No one was ever calling for his head because he was a good coach. Super Bowls aren't the only measure of coaching success

 

"He needs time to grow" was a fine excuse for losing in his rookie year.



#20 Cyberjag

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:38 AM

I think he's more like a Leslie Frazier type.  Lose for two years, catch lightening in a bottle and win big his third, and then go back to being who we thought he was. 

 

Hopefully, Gettleman is given permission to bring his own guy in after the season.  I would be surprised if that guy is Rivera, too.



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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:39 AM

Cowher had 6 winning seasons and made the playoffs 6 straight times in his first 6 seasons....

How you think that is a legit comparison is beyond belief.


You're right, they aren't.


Cowher inherited a 7-9 team that had a very talented roster and played in a terrible division.

Rivera took over one of the most pathetic teams in modern football with a depleted roster and tough division.

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:41 AM

it's a good first step in redeeming himself, but that's about as far as i'm willing to go. i need to see this happen more often.



#23 Fox007

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:41 AM

Not really, but I see you want to bitch about this...

 

 

Chuck Noll first three seasons..12-30

 

Bill Walsh  first two season   8-24

 

Tom Landry first five seasons 25-53

 

 

I am not comparing Rivera to these coaches, but they were given time to win.

 

Now that we have legit comparisons you can edit your other post and hope that Rivera is a future HOFer



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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:42 AM

If we played every week like his job was on the line, I'd say chalk us up for the playoffs.  We know how good we can be, but can we do it week-to-week?



#25 Jangler

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:43 AM

Now that we have legit comparisons you can edit your other post and hope that Rivera is a future HOFer

 

I don't edit and you can...well figure it out.



#26 Frash Brastard

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:43 AM

I like when people compare Ron to coaches in the 70s and 80s before the salary cap and the invention/advent of free agency

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:44 AM

You're right, they aren't.


Cowher inherited a 7-9 team that had a very talented roster and played in a terrible division.

Rivera took over one of the most pathetic teams in modern football with a depleted roster and tough division.

 

So did John Fox and to this point Rivera isn't even on John Fox level....how sad is that?



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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:54 AM

I've learned that people will poo on Rivera just to poo on him.



#29 Fox007

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:56 AM

I've learned that people will poo on Rivera just to poo on him.

 

Yea because its not like anyone can poo on his W-L record.

 

Or his coaching decisions such as calling a TO for your opponent to line up and kick a game winning FG against you.



#30 Cyberjag

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 10:05 AM

I like when people compare Ron to coaches in the 70s and 80s before the salary cap and the invention/advent of free agency

 

They have to use coaches from the 70s and 80s, because if they don't, then the only coach they can point to is Gary Kubiak (And Bellichik if you stretch the parameters a little).  The people on the other side of the argument, however, have in excess of 60 examples they can cite.




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