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#436 rodeo

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 12:19 PM

This dem vs. pub stuff is totally moronic.

 

 

Well make a lizard people vs. anunnaki thread and enlighten us morons



#437 venom

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 12:32 PM

Well make a lizard people vs. anunnaki thread and enlighten us morons


Jokes aside, you have to agree that the pubs and dems are equally to blame, equally corrupt, and equally not caring about the American people, correct?
 



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:04 PM

Yeah we all need to pay more attention to the aliens among us

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:05 PM

We're not joking BTW

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 01:42 PM

Yeah we all need to pay more attention to the aliens among us


The snide and pretentious sarcasm act just never gets old, does it?
 



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 02:41 PM

The snide and pretentious sarcasm act just never gets old, does it?
 

 

 

Well Venom, I can't say I agree with your politics, but when people start insulting/making those type of comments, you know you've gotten to them....But I haven't seen any posts where Venom is attacking someone by insulting them because they don't believe what he does, yet it happens to him all the time.

 

I don't think there is any debate that both parties are extremely corrupt, and most people on here won't budge on any issues whatsoever, much like their party, as they are straight party tickets.



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 02:50 PM

Hey...thank McCrory...no more straight ticket voting in 2016.



#443 cookinwithgas

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 02:52 PM

Dear Steve Smith Owns,

You listen to his claptrap for years then make a determination. He's a crazy person that's states the obvious in this case to try and seem less crazy. No he has not "gotten to me", that would require his 9/11 and alien theories to be correct in some way to happen.

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Posted 15 October 2013 - 02:58 PM

Dear Steve Smith Owns,

You listen to his claptrap for years then make a determination. He's a crazy person that's states the obvious in this case to try and seem less crazy. No he has not "gotten to me", that would require his 9/11 and alien theories to be correct in some way to happen.

 

I have seen his posts for years, and I already said I don't agree with most of the stuff he says. And even if he is 'crazy' like you say, atleast he is a polite crazy person, which is better than a condescending right person.....

 

cookinwithgas, I have agreed with you on several posts before. but nobody will be convinced of anything EVEN if you are presenting a logical argument if you are insulting them

 

Just my two cents



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 03:45 PM

No he has not "gotten to me", that would require his 9/11 and alien theories to be correct in some way to happen.


Get ready for a rude awakening my friend.
 



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 05:40 PM

Jokes aside, you have to agree that the pubs and dems are equally to blame, equally corrupt, and equally not caring about the American people, correct?
 

 

no, that's a cop out that people use to try to feel above the fray. Examine the facts and events closely and you will see they are very different.
 



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 05:49 PM

no, that's a cop out that people use to try to feel above the fray. Examine the facts and events closely and you will see they are very different.
 

 

And the ones on the right say the same thing. so, there you have it.
 



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 05:52 PM

no, that's a cop out that people use to try to feel above the fray. Examine the facts and events closely and you will see they are very different.
 

 

Actually, if you're grossly at fault like the Repub's are, you would start touting the line that they are both equally to blame to at least have a chance at mitigating the damage. Looks like things are shaping up for the midterm elections to have the most voter turn out in its history.



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 06:34 PM

Who Shut Down the Government?
 
Even when it comes to something as basic, and apparently as simple and straightforward, as the question of who shut down the federal government, there are diametrically opposite answers, depending on whether you talk to Democrats or to Republicans.
 

There is really nothing complicated about the facts. The Republican-controlled House of Representatives voted all the money required to keep all government activities going -- except for ObamaCare.

 

This is not a matter of opinion. You can check the Congressional Record.

 

As for the House of Representatives' right to grant or withhold money, that is not a matter of opinion either. You can check the Constitution of the United States. All spending bills must originate in the House of Representatives, which means that Congressmen there have a right to decide whether or not they want to spend money on a particular government activity.

 

Whether ObamaCare is good, bad or indifferent is a matter of opinion. But it is a matter of fact that members of the House of Representatives have a right to make spending decisions based on their opinion.

 

ObamaCare is indeed "the law of the land," as its supporters keep saying, and the Supreme Court has upheld its Constitutionality.

 

But the whole point of having a division of powers within the federal government is that each branch can decide independently what it wants to do or not do, regardless of what the other branches do, when exercising the powers specifically granted to that branch by the Constitution.

 

The hundreds of thousands of government workers who have been laid off are not idle because the House of Representatives did not vote enough money to pay their salaries or the other expenses of their agencies -- unless they are in an agency that would administer ObamaCare.

 

Since we cannot read minds, we cannot say who -- if anybody -- "wants to shut down the government." But we do know who had the option to keep the government running and chose not to. The money voted by the House of Representatives covered everything that the government does, except for ObamaCare.

 

The Senate chose not to vote to authorize that money to be spent, because it did not include money for ObamaCare. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says that he wants a "clean" bill from the House of Representatives, and some in the media keep repeating the word "clean" like a mantra. But what is unclean about not giving Harry Reid everything he wants?

 

If Senator Reid and President Obama refuse to accept the money required to run the government, because it leaves out the money they want to run ObamaCare, that is their right. But that is also their responsibility.

 

You cannot blame other people for not giving you everything you want. And it is a fraud to blame them when you refuse to use the money they did vote, even when it is ample to pay for everything else in the government.

 

When Barack Obama keeps claiming that it is some new outrage for those who control the money to try to change government policy by granting or withholding money, that is simply a bald-faced lie. You can check the history of other examples of "legislation by appropriation" as it used to be called.

 

Whether legislation by appropriation is a good idea or a bad idea is a matter of opinion. But whether it is both legal and not unprecedented is a matter of fact.

 

Perhaps the biggest of the big lies is that the government will not be able to pay what it owes on the national debt, creating a danger of default. Tax money keeps coming into the Treasury during the shutdown, and it vastly exceeds the interest that has to be paid on the national debt.

 

Even if the debt ceiling is not lifted, that only means that government is not allowed to run up new debt. But that does not mean that it is unable to pay the interest on existing debt.

 

None of this is rocket science. But unless the Republicans get their side of the story out -- and articulation has never been their strong suit -- the lies will win. More important, the whole country will lose.

 

http://townhall.com/...16292/page/full



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Posted 15 October 2013 - 06:42 PM

There's only a few people I've given up on here, venom is one of them. He posts silly things, I post silly comebacks.


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