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Bringing Barner and Stewart into the mix

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I love folks on here talking about how good we will be when Stewart comes back assuming he will be an upgrade. He hasn't touched a football since January and is nowhere close at this point. If there wasn't hope he might be able to play if we need him in case Williams gets hurt he would be on IR already.
Instead of always ripping Williams we should count our lucky stars he is durable. Both Barner and Stewart who were supposed to be the future have been huge disappointments so far. Stewart more so than Barner.

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I love folks on here talking about how good we will be when Stewart comes back assuming he will be an upgrade. He hasnt touched a football since January and is nowhere close at this point. If tbere wasnt hope he might be able to play if qe need him in case Williams gets hurt he would be on IR already.

Instead of always ripping Williams we should count iur lucky stars he is durable. Both Barner and Stewart who were supposed to be the future have been huge disappointments so far.

Hard to call Barner a huge disappointment. He is a rookie drafted late (a VERY talented one) who is getting over a foot injury....and looks to be back and getting ready for this Sunday.

We have played 3 games.....too short of a window to call Barner a disappointment or this spin that Williams is suddenly the 2008 stud.

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Williams has 2 fumbles in 3 games....

I get your point about lack of recent reps but at the same time Williams has had his issues yet you paint him as Mr. No Fumble while they have been out.

 

Dwill has cost us a game this season, I agree.    Since then,  he has since basically vowed to hold onto the ball like his life depended on it..   I'm not saying he is perfect in that regard,  because he isn't.  I just trust him more moving forward.

 

My fear is,  Barner having a game costing fumble,  before he focuses extra hard on holding onto the ball.

 

Stewart..  I trust Stewart,  the lack of reps scares the bejesus out of me though.    I would bring him in extra slowly. 

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Dwill has cost us a game this season, I agree. Since then, he has since basically vowed to hold onto the ball like his life depended on it.. I'm not saying he is perfect in that regard, because he isn't. I just trust him more moving forward.

My fear is, Barner having a game costing fumble, before he focuses extra hard on holding onto the ball.

Stewart.. I trust Stewart, the lack of reps scares the bejesus out of me though. I would bring him in extra slowly.

Williams' best ball security was when he was young.....it was freaky.

Barner has never had much of an issue with ba security outside of a as a return man.....and most returners have issues (89 did as a pro bowl returner).

Barner is too explosive and diverse to let him sit out of fear of a fumble problem he has never had. He probably just needs mental reps more than anything.....as RR said he needs to make sure he remembers all the checks and audibles

In the past 19 games Williams has had 2 game losing fumbles.....so sitting Barner out of fear of that shouldn't happen when we already have that element going on.

We will see....I personally think it will take Barner until about week 8 to find his groove and nitch....and then I think people will LOVE him

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Funny that Williams is a problem because he has fumbled a few times this year after being very fumble resistant for years.  Barner had 2 fumbles in the preseason (not counting returns) which is the only time he has played and he is supposedly fumble resistant and we should play him with no concerns.  Amazing how some folks here are so negative about Williams they ignore reality to paint a very biased picture yet hug on other guys nuts who have done nothing at all yet this year. 

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In the past 19 games Williams has had 2 game losing fumbles.....so sitting Barner out of fear of that shouldn't happen when we already have that element going on.

Ahh CRA...you can spin better than this. You know better than to suggest that those 2 fumbles cost us those games.

Whatever happened to the whole "it's a team sport" thing? Or does that philosophy only apply when talking about the players you happen to like?

You can tell us a 1000 times that you have nothing against DWill, that you just don't like spending so much on the position, and that Stew fits our offense better, but guess what? Nobody is buying that. It is obvious from the way you emphasize every negative that you are in no way being an objective observer.

And that's fine. We all do it. Just don't keep trying to pass it off as unbiased observation.

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It's not even up for debate. If anyone is going bye-bye first, it's Williams simply because he's older and not the type of RB Gettleman prefers.

Forget that Stewart costs 6 million as well next year and even though he is younger he can't make it on the field. The only reason he stays is that he costs almost 19,000,000 in dead cap space to cut and no one would trade for him. Williams still would cost 9.6 million in dead cap space to cut in 2014. 

 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap-hit/2014/

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It's not even up for debate. If anyone is going bye-bye first, it's Williams simply because he's older and not the type of RB Gettleman prefers.

 

We spend too much on RB's. No question. I love both Stew and DWill but know that we don't need both of them long-term. And I also look forward to watching Barner.

 

Okay, now that that's out of the way...how do we know what type of RB Gettleman prefers? I don't remember him addressing that specifically.

 

Can you fill me in?

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Im not sure if Dwill can keep carrying it the whole season with the entire load. So I would like to see him get 15-20 runs. Stew get 7 or 8 and give barner 3 or 4 chances. Along with passes and drop offs. And get Stew to block in the backfield with passes. And give tolbert the ball more. Diversity is a gewd thing

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Williams won't cost that much in dead weight as a June 1st cut.

 

Precisely why Stewart isn't leaving Carolina anytime soon. His contract makes him untouchable until 2015. Williams isn't that fortunate.

It would still cost 5 million as a June 1st cut in 2014 with 5 million more in 2015.  The assumption is that Stewart will come back 100% and we won't  need Williams.  That might be a big assumption.  Lets wait until Stewart actually comes back before we decide if he is the answer going forward. 

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Getting Stewart back is a good thing. We need a inside runner that is more quick than tolbert.

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