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That's the 3rd time in the past 3 months I've heard the rumor that MJ will suit up for a game or two for the Cats this season. Maybe Stern (and the owners) will waive the rule and allow it.

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I hate these guys more than anybody else on espn. Not bc of this. But bc they are just stupid. Jalen rose is a terrible analyst and knows next to nothing about teams unless they are the heat or another championship team. And bill is just outright stupid. Who's a boston homer.

Is rather listen to Charles Barkley.... Atleast he's funny.

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Bill Simmons is and has been one of the best things for sports media...who cares he is a homer for his hometown team..


Grantland, 30 for 30, his podcast and his Page 2 column back in the day was essential reading/listening.


I just feel sorry you cant appreciate nice things...just kidding.
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I love Bill/Jalen and agreed with most of what they said.

 

It seemed to me they didn't say too many negative things about the players, just hit on the running jokes about the Bobcats being terrible in general. And MJ being terrible. 

 

They didn't mind the Al signing, Bill liked the Zeller pick/Jalen thinks he's going to win ROY, said Kemba could be the 3rd guard/guy on a title team one day, and MKG has potential, just can't shoot. All fair analysis IMO.

 

 

As for MJ suiting up for a game...Jalen does know some things, so it shouldn't be completely dismissed. ESPN the Mag's article on Jordan last year was heavy on MJ wanting to get back to his playing weight, potentially to get back out there. 1 game, the jersey sales, the shoe sales, the publicity, the ticket prices...yeah, Jordan could line his pockets from that. I just hope they release a Hornets edition jersey as well as the Cats version. 

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Cant say that I disagree, bc I agreed with a most of what they said. And, cant wait to see MJ suit up for one game. lol

 

I cant wait to see if MKG has improve his jump shot or not.

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That vid was enjoyable.  They should do multiple series for different teams-leagues.  

 

They're goofy, know what they're talking about and mix it with casual conversation really well.

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It was basically 11 mins of trolling, as were the previous 4. If you're into it, good. If you want real analysis, don't waste your time.

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They do one for every team. Trolling? Ok

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Not seeing how it's trolling at all. The Bobcats are still a bad team...what analysis is needed beyond what they did? (Which was to actually give credit where credit was due)

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It was basically 11 mins of trolling, as were the previous 4. If you're into it, good. If you want real analysis, don't waste your time.


Trolling? HAHAAHHAHAH.

Don't let it hurt your feelings. I'm a fan but I can see this its the truth.

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Bill Simmons is hilarious.  He was killing me during the finals I believe.  Nothing they said is untrue really, if anything they were pretty favorable to us.   We can't expect respect till we earn it.

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I guess I just don't consider wishing Biyombo a happy 32nd birthday, predicting the Bobcats/Hornets won't be in the playoffs for another 12 years, and making fun of MJ for six minutes to be real analysis. Like the rest of ESPN, Simmons and Rose (who, it should be said, astounds me as to how he got an analyst gig) pander to the Official ESPN teams of the NBA:

 

The Heat, Lakers, Knicks, Thunder, Clippers, Bulls and Celtics. 

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Pretty much agree with Third Degree. Not a fan of either analyst, although Simmons isn't always bad. They did a whole lot of trolling, but at the same time they weren't completely wrong. What annoys me is that these "analysts" just went along with the public perception of MJ being this terrible owner and that he is running things. The franchise is trending upwards, and these clowns fail to see that. However the Bobcats will be a joke to everyone until we become a competitive team.

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Well you cant really expect non-bobcats fans to understand that the team is better run today than, say, 3-4 years ago, when the team finished the last 2 seasons with the worst record in NBA history and one game out of last place.  And the unfortunate truth is that if MKG and Zeller dont pan out, it could be a long fucking time before this team makes the playoffs again (though I'm excited to see how this team does this year).

 

Simmons has always been the kind of guy who does 80% jokes 20% analysis anyways.  If you want hard hitting basketball analysis he is not the guy to go to

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That vid was enjoyable.  They should do multiple series for different teams-leagues.  

 

They're goofy, know what they're talking about and mix it with casual conversation really well.

 

stopped reading there

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I guess I just don't consider wishing Biyombo a happy 32nd birthday, predicting the Bobcats/Hornets won't be in the playoffs for another 12 years, and making fun of MJ for six minutes to be real analysis. Like the rest of ESPN, Simmons and Rose (who, it should be said, astounds me as to how he got an analyst gig) pander to the Official ESPN teams of the NBA:

The Heat, Lakers, Knicks, Thunder, Clippers, Bulls and Celtics.


Exactly.

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For those against the video, where were they wrong though? The jokes are the only thing I see people getting mad about. Yeah, Cho has things on the somewhat upward turn, but the team is still bad. Until proven otherwise, it is what it is. Even with Kemba being decent to good, and MKG having great defensive potential, the team's drafts have still been shaky. Who wouldn't redo the Bismack pick for instance?  Look at the segments though...for all teams. They are half joking with a lot of stuff/segments in the videos. Jalen's champagne and campaign segments for instance, or Clairvoyant Bill. Yes, these were made to be a serious analysis of teams and they're treating the Bobcats different than everyone else. 

 

Want the same type coverage as the Heat/Lakers/etc? Well, we're a small market. Only one way to fix that. Have a team worth a shit and not a laughing stock for the passed few years. Fans don't show up, the owner has largely been apathetic (and ripped publicly), and the coaches have been cycled through. All the while, the team hasn't had a "star" player since...the Hornets were actually here? You want coverage, when Gerald Wallace is arguably the best thing the Bobcats have ever had? Lol. 

 

Both Jalen and Bill will and do make jokes about nearly every team out there. They're both homers to their teams as well, as are most all people. Bill however has thrashed the Celtics moves this off-season, the Thunder all of last year (and on-going), gotten into a fight with Doc (Clippers/Celtics), and constantly hates on the Lakers/Kobe and the Heat in general. But yes, they're only picking on the Bobcats and not analyzing them enough. It's a loose website/video where satire is present throughout. Those who say they're propping up ESPN's teams or not giving the Bobcats their due, don't know Bill and Jalen or what they've done, or need to take their homer glasses off. 

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Those who say they're propping up ESPN's teams or not giving the Bobcats their due, don't know Bill and Jalen or what they've done, or need to take their homer glasses off. 

 

I know them for what they want to be – real analysts – and for what they really are, wannabe comedians who use attempts at humor and obscure pop-culture references to try and be the Family Guy of NBA commentary. 

Simmons sold out years ago when his main gig ceased to be Page 2.

 

Doesn't have anything to do with being a homer. I'd rank the Bobcats/Hornets about 26th, too. I'd just do it on the basis of being too young, having an unproven coach and a hit-miss front office, and not "Durrr Michael Jordan is a bad owner," "Hurfff here's a clip from Full Metal Jacket describing Sally Field's role in 'Smokey and the Bandit' and how it relates to Michael Jordan being a bad owner!"

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I know them for what they want to be – real analysts – and for what they really are, wannabe comedians who use attempts at humor and obscure pop-culture references to try and be the Family Guy of NBA commentary. 

Simmons sold out years ago when his main gig ceased to be Page 2.

 

Doesn't have anything to do with being a homer. I'd rank the Bobcats/Hornets about 26th, too. I'd just do it on the basis of being too young, having an unproven coach and a hit-miss front office, and not "Durrr Michael Jordan is a bad owner," "Hurfff here's a clip from Full Metal Jacket describing Sally Field's role in 'Smokey and the Bandit' and how it relates to Michael Jordan being a bad owner!"

 

Did they not do that, granted in a round about way? They gave credit to essentially the whole starting 5. Both expect a big year from Zeller. Said they didn't mind the Al signing. Analyzed his shot chart. Talked about MKG's potential. Can't exactly go into sabermetrics in a 10 minute video with parts set aside for the funnier aspects. They've done the same things for every team, including the Kings/Maloofs today for the owner aspect you're hitting on.

 

Again, the point of these wasn't for "real" analysis...

 

"What happens when you stick Bill Simmons and Jalen Rose in the Grantland Channel studio for six straight hours without food, coffee, or a bathroom? You get Bill and Jalen's 2013 NBA Preview!!! (Yeah, we probably should have called it the 2013-14 NBA preview, but Jalen has a vendetta against hyphens.) For the entire month of October, we'll be counting down our rankings of NBA teams from 30 to 1 while (a) incorporating fancy graphics and Photoshops, ( B) consistently looking at the wrong cameras, and (c) miraculously never changing clothes..."

 

From the start, and there's more than just that snippet to predict the satirical nature of these videos, the tone was clear. So what exactly were you, or anyone else "angry" at the video expecting? 

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From the start, and there's more than just that snippet to predict the satirical nature of these videos, the tone was clear. So what exactly were you, or anyone else "angry" at the video expecting? 

 

I'm really not angry at it haha. I actually laughed pretty hard at the Sixers' video when Simmons said "they're gonna win six games. It's gonna be awful."

 

I'm just saying it's not predominantly analysis.

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stopped reading there

 

you didn't miss much, it was only like 7 more words

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It's satire, calm down people.

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