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Would you trade Cam Newton for Cleveland's 2 Number 1 picks?

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dude looks like a deer in the head lights...has no fire, stares down his receivers and holds the dam ball forever...Its so painful watching him, I will be drunk before the first quarter ends this sunday just to shield the pain...

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what "reasons" are you talking about?

Read a little bit and you'll realize these analysts don't really analyze when it comes to comparing Cam to other QB's

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This makes no sense.  There's absolutely no reason to trade him for a first.  There are several players on this team that are worth much, much more than a first rounder, and Cam is one of them.

 

You make it sound like you can easily replace his production with a single first round pick...

 

I think recent young QB successes have blinded a lot of you guys to how long it can take players to develop in this league.

 

 

You realize for this to work JR has to shell out big bucks for the following:

 

Head coach:  one who gets the new age spread rage in the league and will insist on autonomy and be twice as expensive as any head coach we have ever had...$$$

 

OC: probably the brightest mind on the market who will also be getting interest from low tier teams (like us) for head coach...$$$

 

QB coach:  A guy who will be talented enough to garner interest from lower tier teams as an OC and demand OC money....$$$

 

Entirely new Wide receiver corps:  Ginn might be able to stick due to special teams and his wheels and Smitty might stick as a slot if he is willing to take a back seat to two shiny new cyborg bookends... think julio and roddy....$$$$ 

 

bye bye running backs:  Will never be able to afford them: we will draft a new guy in the third every year and hope one sticks... think Donald Brown or maybe a barner

 

bye bye defensive front 7:  Cant afford that either.  The game will be to protect the Cammy Cam and score 45 points every week.  Defense be damned.  Captain Munnerlyn would be a highlight in the backfield we would put together.

 

Big bucks O-line:  We would have to draft or break the bank to acquire at least 3 pro bowl o-lineman to compliment Kalil and hope like hell that 5th spot can be supplemented by rotation.  It will take too long to get 4 of them before Kalil times out.  $$$

 

TE:  In the middle of this, the biggest overhaul of any team in history and unprecedented rush to arms, we will need another guy who can do what Olsen does.  Maybe even a guy a bit better than him who can block all day if need be despite his elite athletic ability and ball skills.  (hint: these are the hottest commodities in the league right now as far as skill positions go, and they want the ball, not block for the dancing bear)....$$$

 

So the three best offensive new-age coaches one can think of... Blow up the D and the run game (contracts.... contracts)... Magically acquire Three pro-bowl lineman, Two freaks of nature receivers and a hall of fame TE... Convince Smitty to play slot behind the new guys or break him off at the knees too. Bye Bye Kuech, Star, and CJ.

 

 

 

How long do you think something like this will take?  Do any of you actually think this is even possible?

 

And the kicker... considering that even half of this is feasible in the short run who among you actually believe Jerry Richardson is ever gonna even attempt to make a splash this big?

 

You people just say things that you want or think we need without even considering what it means.     

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I've been been back and forth concerning Cam for a while. We've seen his potential, but this was suppose to be our playoff year. Now we are getting a new head coach next year most likely, and I don't know if the next guy will be able to develop Cam anymore than Rivera. Especially if our next coach is going to be another defensive minded guy. I would take this trade if offered.

Develop him more? LOL Rivera hasn't developed him at all. Ron has zero clue what to do with a quarterback or an offense.

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You realize for this to work JR has to shell out big bucks for the following:

 

How long do you think something like this will take?  Do any of you actually think this is even possible?

 

And the kicker... considering that even half of this is feasible in the short run who among you actually believe Jerry Richardson is ever gonna even attempt to make a splash this big?

 

You people just say things that you want or think we need without even considering what it means.     

 

Wow did you ever just move the goal posts... I never said rebuilding was easy, of course it'd take time and effort.

 

Your post was trading away young, proven players for first round draft picks on a one to one basis.  It was ridiculous and seemed predicated on the idea you could replace them easily. What you are basically saying is that you could easily replace the production of Keek or Cam with a first rounder.  That's retarded.  You're wrong.  If you get lucky, you might get more production, but you are MORE likely to get less.  QBs are very often hit or miss in the first round.

 

Do you really think it'd take us so long to rebuild that a second or third year player will be too old to be useful by the time it's done??

 

I don't even know what you are getting at

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Wow did you ever just move the goal posts... I never said rebuilding was easy, of course it'd take time and effort.

 

Your post was trading away young, proven players for first round draft picks on a one to one basis.  It was ridiculous and seemed predicated on the idea you could replace them easily. What you are basically saying is that you could easily replace the production of Keek or Cam with a first rounder.  That's retarded.  You're wrong.  If you get lucky, you might get more production, but you are MORE likely to get less.  QBs are very often hit or miss in the first round.

 

Do you really think it'd take us so long to rebuild that a second or third year player will be too old to be useful by the time it's done??

 

I don't even know what you are getting at

 

 

wow do you need to read my post again... time and effort be damned, how many dollar signs do I need to put in there???

 

I would trade any one player in the league for two first rounders and I would trade Cam for a top 5 right now without the slightest hesitation.

 

why?

 

I explained it.  we would get a redo on one piece as opposed to blowing up the entire team, philosophy, staff, front office, etc to accommodate, no to HOPE we accommodate one player.

 

its not practical or reasonable.  Its also impossible considering our ownership, the fact that other teams (31 of them) are in the same arms race and are not going to just sit around while we cherry pick 6 probowlers in two years, and we are hamstrung with huge contracts that work against this Cam-friendly Carolina Panthers organization you people want to build.

 

He has the best stats of anyone Ive ever seen and can do things Ive never even thought were possible.. but he is not showing that he is worth building a team around.  If you cannot lead scrubs, how do you expect to lead stars?

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He has the best stats of anyone Ive ever seen and can do things Ive never even thought were possible.. but he is not showing that he is worth building a team around. If you cannot lead scrubs, how do you expect to lead stars?

Some guy who sits in his lazy boy recliner while eating cheetos on gamedays is going to talk about leading NFL players. LOL.

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Some guy who sits in his lazy boy recliner while eating cheetos on gamedays is going to talk about leading NFL players. LOL.

 

 

cheetos?

 

 

 

good one dude.. cool story 

 

really got me there.  

 

that LOL was a tough sell but knowing you, I'm buyin'

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cheetos?

good one dude.. cool story

really got me there.

that LOL was a tough sell but knowing you, I'm buyin'

Maybe you could get an NFL team to pay you for your input, since you have so much wisdom on being an NFL QB and all.

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