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Aaron Rodgers 2012. One of the most sacked QBs.. 108 QB rating and 39 TDs.

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The problem IS Cam not the O line. Packers 2012 O line was abysmal and Rodgers was one of the most sacked QBs in the league and his QB rating was still 108 and he had 39 TD passes. What more is it going to take before we realize Cam is not and never will be elite. Even Jay Cutler plays pretty solid under a abysmal O line. Dont get me wrong, our O line is terrible but so was the Packers. Elite QBs perform well in spite of bad O line play.

 

You are comparing Cam to someone who has been in the league 8 years and playing for four before he was able to achieve the stats that he did in 2012 and on a team that was/is still way better than the Panthers on a extremely bad day? You are either bored or hate your QB to even attempt to determine whether Cam is or will never be an "elite QB" with such shallow observation. Do you realize, that unlike Cam, Rogers, Peyton, Brady wer all given a chance to succees? You folks simply want to drain Cam of every ounce of his talent then discard him like trash under the guise that he wasn't "elite enough." Like you know what an Elite QB really looks like. U are talking and comparing Cam to QBs who are considered in their prime. They are more than seasoned and were given a chance to grow into their position as "elite QB."

 

Do you realize you are seriously comparing a very well seasoned vet with a much better O-line, even on a bad day, with your team and a fanbase who seem to believe that no matter what is wrong with the Panthers, Cam should be used in every which way to over-come it?

 

FYI, real "elite QBs" aren't allowed to be burnt out by teams and their fans. They are groomed and given a chance to make mistakes and grow.

 

This seems to be the mindset of many of you in a nutshell when it comes to Cam and the Panthers: The Defense is struggling, that's okay we've got Cam. The secondary is struggle, that's okay we've got Cam. The O-line and Receivers are struggling, that's okay we're got Cam. And when the team continues to lose, the team is fine, Cam is the problem.

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Hey bubba, you normally only get some many chances in this league to improve, and win.

 

I am not ready to throw in the towel, but Cam needs to start improving in a couple areas if he wants the mega deal, and wants to win on a consistent basis.

 

Every QB has room to improve, Newton is no exception.  He does need better coaching, that's for sure.

 

Cam deserves an opportunity with a staff that actually knows how to properly utilize him and play to his strengths. We aren't going to be able to do this by hiring another defensive coordinator that has no clue about offense as head coach. We need to change philosophies.

 

Will that actually happen? I have doubts, our owner may be stuck in his old school ways. I will hold out hope though.

 

First thing is, we need to actually build around Cam. You see other young QB's who were surrounded by talent via the draft from the jump. What have we done? Well with Amini out for the season, that makes zero starters drafted on offense since Cam got here in 2011.

 

We've put band aid after band aid on the offense, and hoped it will work out for the best. Well it clearly hasn't. It's time to make some real investments and actually protect our quarterback with a real offensive line, and no I am not talking about undrafted free agents either.

 

Should we talk about our current WR core? All of them except Steve Smith are free agents next year. The only one who has stepped up is Ted Ginn Jr, and he's outplayed Brandon Lafell who is in a contract year. That leaves Hixon who can't get on the field, and AE.

 

Yet we wonder why our quarterback pretty much only trusts Steve Smith and Greg Olsen.

 

Bottom line is, no quarterback is going to be successful if you do not make an attempt to actually build around him.

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Hey bubba, you normally only get some many chances in this league to improve, and win.

 

I am not ready to throw in the towel, but Cam needs to start improving in a couple areas if he wants the mega deal, and wants to win on a consistent basis.

 

Every QB has room to improve, Newton is no exception.  He does need better coaching, that's for sure.

 

Go back and check the record of the so called "Ellite QBs." Many of them are not asked to do much more than manage a team when they first start out. They are given endless chances to succeed. That is why we can call them "elite QBs" today. They are not intentionally burnt out nor ask to do more than they have to. U see when so called Elite QBs like Peyton, Brady start out, they are treated just like Luck.

 

Just some insight: Cam vs. Luck. Two # 1 Draft picks in consecutive years. Do you realize that all Luck is asked to do is MANAGE his team? He's not asked to do anything more than pass the ball off  to his RECEIVERS, and make a few short and long throws down the field. His O-line and Receivers are the ones doing pretty much all of the work to both protect him and get the ball down to the endzone. And he's the future "ELITE QB."

 

Cam on the other hand, is worked like a horse. The Panthers have holes in any part of their team, that's okay, that's why we got Cam. He will handle the opposing team and minimize our teams issues. That seems to be the mindset of way to many of you.

 

Unlike Luck, Cam has to prove that he's even qualified to be a starting QB never mind an "elite QB." And unlike Luck, Cam is scrutinized by fans, as if they are experts, who only seem to like him for as much as he helps the Panthers and all of it's issues, win. Sad!!!

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I don't understand your point...

 

tom brady was a 3x pro bowler, 3x super bowl champion, and already considered a hall of famer before welker or moss put on a patriot uniform.

 

wayne, harrison, and clark were all products of peyton manning.

 

thomas, decker, and welker are better now because of manning.

 

it doesn't matter if they were good beforehand, average, or flat outright bad...an elite qb makes his recievers better. period.

 

should cam have went out there and caught that td that steve smith dropped? or the 4th down that lafell dropped? how in the fug do you know that cam isn't out there making baby hands lafell and smith (at this stage in his career) look better than they are? hey how about the way cam got the ball the olsen in space for yac knowing that the guy falls down if a defender just looks at him hard?

 

this without even beginning to address the fact that you're comparing qbs at entirely different stages of their careers, across entirely different systems

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i stopped reading after this.

 

peace.

 

lol like you didn't need to be told to shut the fug up

 

seriously shut the fug up

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You won't find a QB in his third season in NFL history who performed better than Cam. Not Peyton Manning, not Jim Kelly, not Tom Brady, not Aaron Rodgers, not Joe Montana.

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It's a valid point. Always makes me wonder.

 

Especially when you hear people talk about how he "speaks" in press conferences.

 

tbh i don't like his body language and what's with that towel

 

imo he should sulk and whine the way professionals do, like peyton manning and tom brady. idk what it is there's just something different about them

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Sometimes I wish Cam were white to see how his critics would view him then.

 

Didn't stop people from piling on Delhomme and rightfully so....

 

race has nothing to do with it

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Go back and check the record of the so called "Ellite QBs." Many of them are not asked to do much more than manage a team when they first start out. They are given endless chances to succeed. That is why we can call them "elite QBs" today. They are not intentionally burnt out nor ask to do more than they have to. U see when so called Elite QBs like Peyton, Brady start out, they are treated just like Luck.

 

Just some insight: Cam vs. Luck. Two # 1 Draft picks in consecutive years. Do you realize that all Luck is asked to do is MANAGE his team? He's not asked to do anything more than pass the ball off  to his RECEIVERS, and make a few short and long throws down the field. His O-line and Receivers are the ones doing pretty much all of the work to both protect him and get the ball down to the endzone. And he's the future "ELITE QB."

 

Cam on the other hand, is worked like a horse. The Panthers have holes in any part of their team, that's okay, that's why we got Cam. He will handle the opposing team and minimize our teams issues. That seems to be the mindset of way to many of you.

 

Unlike Luck, Cam has to prove that he's even qualified to be a starting QB never mind an "elite QB." And unlike Luck, Cam is scrutinized by fans, as if they are experts, who only seem to like him for as much as he helps the Panthers and all of it's issues, win. Sad!!!

 

That was hard to follow, on many different levels.

 

Cam is a good QB, just like Luck.  Both need to improve.

 

The exact same issues I had with Cam coming out of Auburn still exist, I wish like hell that they were fixable, I am starting to think that maybe they aren't, not the end of the world.

 

Cam has some tools that most QB's can only dream of, I was just hoping for him to show off that the footwork, accuracy, decision making, and consistency were getting better this year.  So far he has not shown that.  AGAIN....that's OK, we can work around it.  Just hoping is all, hoping for Cam and for the Panthers that he could rise to the very top of discussions about the best of the best.

 

Calm down you guys, I am not saying trade him, nor bench him or any of that nonsense.  Just that would love to see some refinement of his game.

 

Also, yes I know that we need new personnel out there, I was the original Hurney Hater in these parts.  I wanted WR's, OL to surround Cam, then to work on the D, it hasn't gone down that way.

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That was hard to follow, on many different levels.

 

Cam is a good QB, just like Luck.  Both need to improve.

 

The exact same issues I had with Cam coming out of Auburn still exist, I wish like hell that they were fixable, I am starting to think that maybe they aren't, not the end of the world.

 

Cam has some tools that most QB's can only dream of, I was just hoping for him to show off that the footwork, accuracy, decision making, and consistency were getting better this year.  So far he has not shown that.  AGAIN....that's OK, we can work around it.  Just hoping is all, hoping for Cam and for the Panthers that he could rise to the very top of discussions about the best of the best.

 

Calm down you guys, I am not saying trade him, nor bench him or any of that nonsense.  Just that would love to see some refinement of his game.

 

Also, yes I know that we need new personnel out there, I was the original Hurney Hater in these parts.  I wanted WR's, OL to surround Cam, then to work on the D, it hasn't gone down that way.

 

 

You say that both Cam and Luck need to improve but you only spoke about. Where is the objectivity in your post? What about Luck's QB issues? That is my point. Way to much scrutinizing a QB for having the same issues all the other QBs have. The difference between them and Cam is they are not endlessly scrutinized. And are not only given real weapons to work with, but is also given a chance to grow.

 

You folks are bitching and carrying about Cam based on what, his 3 INTS. Are you seriously saying that those 3 INTS cost the team the game and not endless dropped balls done by Smitty and the rest of the Receivers? You are bitching about Cam getting sacked 7 times and not the fact that your O-line is so bad that they can't even hold have 12 year olds?

 

When outsides come this site and read these endless subjective and not very truthful postings, they will believe that Cam is the cause of every team lost. The truth of the matter is, he isn't. It's just many of you still act like he's at the Combines with gym shorts. You expect him to be perfect. Again, I say, Not...and I mean, not one QB is a perfect. Not even the so called "elite." They all have the same issues as Cam.

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You say that both Cam and Luck need to improve but you only spoke about. Where is the objectivity in your post? What about Luck's QB issues? That is my point. Way to much scrutinizing a QB for having the same issues all the other QBs have. The difference between them and Cam is they are not endlessly scrutinized. And are not only given real weapons to work with, but is also given a chance to grow.

 

You folks are bitching and carrying about Cam based on what, his 3 INTS. Are you seriously saying that those 3 INTS cost the team the game and not endless dropped balls done by Smitty and the rest of the Receivers? You are bitching about Cam getting sacked 7 times and not the fact that your O-line is so bad that they can't even hold have 12 year olds?

 

When outsides come this site and read these endless subjective and not very truthful postings, they will believe that Cam is the cause of every team lost. The truth of the matter is, he isn't. It's just many of you still act like he's at the Combines with gym shorts. You expect him to be perfect. Again, I say, Not...and I mean, not one QB is a perfect. Not even the so called "elite." They all have the same issues as Cam.

 

Whoa, sport.  Not blaming this loss on Cam, or any other individual player.

 

I am not comparing Cam to anyone else, that's everyone else.  I am looking at our QB, the QB of the Panthers, the team that I root for.

 

I will point out Cam's attributes just as fast as his "issues" I always have.  I'm not a blind homer, and I do like our QB.

 

You know what else I do, and have done?  Pointed out Olsen's, Smitty's, Kalil's, DWill's, Richardson's, Hurney's, issues as well as Cam's.  They are not perfect, and I'm not comparing Cam to anyone else, but to blindly think that he is perfect is pretty dumb.

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Marc James has been on the radio today trying to compare  Brady to Cam because he is winning with rookie receivers. Man I wish somebody would punch this guy in his mouth.

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