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Can someone explain to me What the downside is to Firing Rivera mid-season


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#41 Saxist Fed

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 03:34 PM

I want Rivera gone as much as the next person, but I would absolutely hate to see McDermott as our HC. I can't think of a worst nightmare than us giving McDermott a shot, him finishing the season by winning out...and then "earning" the hc position next year. fug. That.

 

I think it'd be more like Fewell in Buffalo.  Even if he does well, part ways at year's end.  



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 03:42 PM

Jim Skipper certainly could do no worse with this group.


The hell does our rbs coach who coached up the first tandem in nfl history to rush for 1100 yards each have to do with anything????

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 03:42 PM

I would like Rivera to stay on as the DC, but I know the chances of that are beyond slim....

 

I think he's got a great mind but is not a good head coach.

 

Assuming we could have any coach in the world, college or otherwise, who would we hire that would be available next season? 



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 03:46 PM

i take that with the same grain of salt i do when people say they are reviewing game film or have access to it or whatever

 

You know that the all-22 game film is available commercially now, right?

 

I have the "game film" for Seattle vs Carolina on my computer right now.

 

In the same way, if you have been around a while, you know it's not that unusual for JR or Danny M. to call fans (especially PSL owners) that have taken the time to send in a letter. 

 

Perhaps you are a bit too skeptical.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 04:06 PM

Ron is our coach until 30Dec13 at least.

 

There's no better head coach on staff right now. Moving any of them wouldn't make any difference on the play on the field. 

 

Gettleman is committed to Ron and if he were to go back on that commitment he would lose respect in a profession that is steeped in respect. He's not doing that. 

 

We are what we are, we are the 2013 Panthers and we are 1-3.

 

The guys on the roster and in the offices have to deal with it and keep working to get back to winning football.

 

As fans, we can only wait and see if it comes together sooner rather than later.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 04:12 PM

I would like Rivera to stay on as the DC, but I know the chances of that are beyond slim....

 

I think he's got a great mind but is not a good head coach.

 

Assuming we could have any coach in the world, college or otherwise, who would we hire that would be available next season? 

 

Obvious former NFL head coaches that get linked with almost every job:

 

- Jon Gruden: I think he could do wonders with a QB like Cam. Plus I like the idea of trying an offensively minded head coach.

 

- Bill Cowher: a proven winner and could do a good job. 

 

- Brian Billick: did a good job at the Ravens for the most part, won a super bowl; and remember when he was the OC at the Vikings they broke the record for most points in a season, and were a good offense. 

 

- Lovie Smith: granted his offense can be dour, but he has a winning record as a HC, and could help continue this team's defense moving towards being an elite unit. 

 

A few potential coordinators looking for that first opportunity:

 

- Ray Horton: He can certainly coach a good defense. He has two super bowl rings as a coach, so he knows how to win. He might be worth a look if he can bring a good OC with him.

 

- Mike Zimmer: He's got a great pedigree in coaching up dominate defenses. He's a no nonsense kind of coach, so he might be what this team needs.

 

- Greg Roman: He's done a good job as the 49ers OC. He's worked with a dual threat Kaepernick, and would probably get the best out of Cam. 

 

- Jay Gruden: He's done a good job at the Bengals, and might be a good candidate from an offensive background. 

 

Then there are a few college candidates:

 

- David Shaw, Stanford: His record since replacing Harbaugh has been very good. He's been a coach in the NFL. He's well respected. And I think he could be one of the next college head coaches to get a chance. 

 

- Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M: Did a great job last season after replacing Sherman. His offense is NFL compatible, and his work with the dual threat Manziel would hopefully bode well for Cam. 

 

- Brian Kelly, Notre Dame: He's good head coach and tactician. 

 

- Bill O'Brien, Penn State: Proven coaching track record in the NFL, including being the QB coach and OC when Brady had his 5000 yard season. He's a good QB coach that might get the best out of Cam. He's also started well with Penn State. 

 

- Dabo Swinney, Clemson: Excellent record at Clemson. A very solid coach. I wonder, would Gettleman dare to go for a Swinney-Boyd combination  :ph34r: 

 

Overall I don't know who I want to replace Rivera. I honestly don't mind who we get, or where we get them from, as long as they build this team into a perennial play off and super bowl contender.  



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 04:20 PM

Obvious former NFL head coaches that get linked with almost every job:

 

- Jon Gruden: I think he could do wonders with a QB like Cam. Plus I like the idea of trying an offensively minded head coach.

 

- Bill Cowher: a proven winner and could do a good job. 

 

- Brian Billick: did a good job at the Ravens for the most part, won a super bowl; and remember when he was the OC at the Vikings they broke the record for most points in a season, and were a good offense. 

 

- Lovie Smith: granted his offense can be dour, but he has a winning record as a HC, and could help continue this team's defense moving towards being an elite unit. 

 

A few potential coordinators looking for that first opportunity:

 

- Ray Horton: He can certainly coach a good defense. He has two super bowl rings as a coach, so he knows how to win. He might be worth a look if he can bring a good OC with him.

 

- Mike Zimmer: He's got a great pedigree in coaching up dominate defenses. He's a no nonsense kind of coach, so he might be what this team needs.

 

- Greg Roman: He's done a good job as the 49ers OC. He's worked with a dual threat Kaepernick, and would probably get the best out of Cam. 

 

- Jay Gruden: He's done a good job at the Bengals, and might be a good candidate from an offensive background. 

 

Then there are a few college candidates:

 

- David Shaw, Stanford: His record since replacing Harbaugh has been very good. He's been a coach in the NFL. He's well respected. And I think he could be one of the next college head coaches to get a chance. 

 

- Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M: Did a great job last season after replacing Sherman. His offense is NFL compatible, and his work with the dual threat Manziel would hopefully bode well for Cam. 

 

- Brian Kelly, Notre Dame: He's good head coach and tactician. 

 

- Bill O'Brien, Penn State: Proven coaching track record in the NFL, including being the QB coach and OC when Brady had his 5000 yard season. He's a good QB coach that might get the best out of Cam. He's also started well with Penn State. 

 

- Dabo Swinney, Clemson: Excellent record at Clemson. A very solid coach. I wonder, would Gettleman dare to go for a Swinney-Boyd combination  :ph34r: 

 

Overall I don't know who I want to replace Rivera. I honestly don't mind who we get, or where we get them from, as long as they build this team into a perennial play off and super bowl contender.  

Great info.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 04:32 PM

Cause jerry is a control freak and a tightwad. The 2 are a lethal combo.

I wish someone would hold him accountable. He has a stadium bought and paid for by the people of Charlotte, the seats already sold out, and .10 cent beer for 9 bucks.

He loves money and control more than winning.

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 04:39 PM

A GM shouldn't decide that a season is lost after a 1-3 start that includes 2 very close losses. You and I might not be very optimistic give past years, but this is year 1 for him, and he's not getting paid to blow a team up when there's still reason to think we could turn things around this year.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 04:41 PM

Obvious former NFL head coaches that get linked with almost every job:

- Jon Gruden: I think he could do wonders with a QB like Cam. Plus I like the idea of trying an offensively minded head coach.


- Bill Cowher: a proven winner and could do a good job.


- Brian Billick: did a good job at the Ravens for the most part, won a super bowl; and remember when he was the OC at the Vikings they broke the record for most points in a season, and were a good offense.


- Lovie Smith: granted his offense can be dour, but he has a winning record as a HC, and could help continue this team's defense moving towards being an elite unit.


A few potential coordinators looking for that first opportunity:

- Ray Horton: He can certainly coach a good defense. He has two super bowl rings as a coach, so he knows how to win. He might be worth a look if he can bring a good OC with him.


- Mike Zimmer: He's got a great pedigree in coaching up dominate defenses. He's a no nonsense kind of coach, so he might be what this team needs.


- Greg Roman: He's done a good job as the 49ers OC. He's worked with a dual threat Kaepernick, and would probably get the best out of Cam.


- Jay Gruden: He's done a good job at the Bengals, and might be a good candidate from an offensive background.


Then there are a few college candidates:

- David Shaw, Stanford: His record since replacing Harbaugh has been very good. He's been a coach in the NFL. He's well respected. And I think he could be one of the next college head coaches to get a chance.


- Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M: Did a great job last season after replacing Sherman. His offense is NFL compatible, and his work with the dual threat Manziel would hopefully bode well for Cam.


- Brian Kelly, Notre Dame: He's good head coach and tactician.


- Bill O'Brien, Penn State: Proven coaching track record in the NFL, including being the QB coach and OC when Brady had his 5000 yard season. He's a good QB coach that might get the best out of Cam. He's also started well with Penn State.


- Dabo Swinney, Clemson: Excellent record at Clemson. A very solid coach. I wonder, would Gettleman dare to go for a Swinney-Boyd combination :ph34r:


Overall I don't know who I want to replace Rivera. I honestly don't mind who we get, or where we get them from, as long as they build this team into a perennial play off and super bowl contender.

None of the former guys interest me at all.

The only college guy I could get behind (Shaw) isn't interested in leaving his current job.

Zimmer is my top choice. I could go with Horton. Nix on Roman or Gruden.

Tom Clements would be a better option if you want an offensive coach, but bear on mind that his roots are in a system (WCO) that doesn't suit Newton's skill set.

Also worth a look: Winston Moss.


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