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Since some are turning on Cam I have 4 question for you.

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Hilton is turning out to be a good receiver.  We know that now.  Yet when he was drafted, I doubt Colts fans were jumping up and down saying they have their new star receiver or anything like that.  It could be that Luck is having a hand in making Hilton a good receiver.  I don't even think the Colts organization thought Hilton was going to be a star receiver.  I believe they primarily wanted him to be a PR and third receiving option.  If we are saying Hilton is going to be a star receiver, that part just happened.  So I wouldn't say they brought in Hilton as a move to build around Luck.  (Though you can and have made the case for those tight ends)

 

I disagree.  They traded back into the 3rd round and drafted Hilton with the intent to use him to build their offense.  If you don't really think much of a player, why do you do that?  This wasn't some 5th or 6th round flier...

 

You can think the Colts haven't done that much if you really want, but I think their offensive talent surpasses ours, especially when it comes to youth. They've drafted or filled needs at every position on the offense to help Luck.  We can't say anything close to that...

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save your eyes bro

I'm certain no one would mind if you, say, left. It's not like you ever offer anything intelligent. You only attack people that don't worship Cam Newton as if he was the Messiah. Nobody will miss that TheRed. Nobody at all.

I'm here win or lose. I don't puss out and disappear when things are going well.

Like I said in another thread, you were MIA until the Arizona game.

Quit calling people out all the time, Red. You should not be offended when people have a different opinion than yours. Why would anyone post such a dumbass statement anyway? Think it if you want to, but lets not go full punk again, And that eye thing can be arranged.

Internet threats, really lol? What a big tough guy you are. Put em' up!

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I'm here win it lose. I don't puss out and disappear when things are going well.

Like I said in another thread, you were MIA until the Arizona game.

Internet threats, really lol? What a big tough guy you are. Put em' up!

 

Just quit calling people out. It makes you rather trollish.  Nobody cares what you think about them.  It was more of a joke than a threat because in person, you never would have said it.  People will disagree with you in life--you don't have to mock them for it.  

 

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just because you say it does not make it so

 

something you need to accept eventually

 

 

but... baby steps.  start with something basic.

 

 

nobody cares what you say or what your opinion is of other posters you do not even know in an anonymous forum

 

 

 

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The line between winning and losing is fine.  If Peyton Manning were our QB, would we be 1-3?  No.  He had a worse defense in Indy and he has a terrible OL right now. 

 

Since Cam has not won since arriving, it would be an appropriate position for you to consider the fact that he could be part of the problem and not everyone except him.

 

But you are right.  If you gave him a pro bowl line, Larry Fitz, Calvin, and Jimmy Graham,  he would be better.  

 

Again are we talking about the 16 year Manning or the 3rd year Manning? If your comparing a 3rd year player to a 16 year player then KYS!!! Really.

 

 

 

 

How many games again can you truly put on Cam and his play?

 

How about a OLine that doesn't give up 7 sacks every other game and not depending on the Oldest Number 1 WR in the league.

Or at least do what other teams do put talent around their young QB. Even Jake Locker and Ponder get new targets and protection but Cam gets the same players he had in 2011 other then a 2nd round Guard and Ted Ginn.

 

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just because you say it does not make it so

something you need to accept eventually

but... baby steps. start with something basic.

nobody cares what you say or what your opinion is of other posters you do not even know in an anonymous forum

You should read this a few dozen times and let it sink in every time you think about posting your usual mouth diarrhea in a thread.

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1. Win more

2. Maybe 4 or so

3. None

4. None

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Same as above...I'm off topic with this tout Brady didn't score a TD

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Just quit calling people out. It makes you rather trollish. Nobody cares what you think about them. It was more of a joke than a threat because in person, you never would have said it. People will disagree with you in life--you don't have to mock them for it.

Are you new to the internet? You post an opinion, someone else is going to disagree. It happens.

Let's spare ourselves with the interweb bad ass routine now.

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You should read this a few dozen times and let it sink in every time you think about posting your usual mouth diarrhea in a thread.

 

 

OK

 

 

thanks again bro

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“For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don't believe, no proof is possible.”

--Stuart Chase

 

 

 

 

I don't believe.  

 

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Those 2 HOF WRs might not have been if he were not the qb.  He also won after Marvin left with some undrafted players that he made special. Same with the TE, who struggled when leaving Indy.  The OL sucked.  Polian calls it the reason he was fired.

 

I do not know what #2 means.  That defense was the reason he was in a shootout every week.

 

I agree with #3.  I want Cam to succeed. I just get tired of people who go apesh*t any time anyone questions him.

 

Now Marvin Harris and Reggie Wayne, Clark , Pollard, Saturday, Glenn, Meadows, Ej all suck without Peyton??? Really??

 

 

The Bears defense Last year scored as many points as their Offense plus they caused a ton of TO that is way they were 10-6.

 

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Again are we talking about the 16 year Manning or the 3rd year Manning? If your comparing a 3rd year player to a 16 year player then KYS!!! Really.

 

 

 

 

How many games again can you truly put on Cam and his play?

 

How about a OLine that doesn't give up 7 sacks every other game and not depending on the Oldest Number 1 WR in the league.

Or at least do what other teams do put talent around their young QB. Even Jake Locker and Ponder get new targets and protection but Cam gets the same players he had in 2011 other then a 2nd round Guard and Ted Ginn.

 

Cam holds the ball for more than 4 seconds on many plays.  Manning averages 2.5.  His line's sack total will be substantially less. Right now, he is 5-0 with a second team LT and a third string C.  Gross and Kalil are much better.  Are his WRs in Denver better than ours?  They weren't before he got there. 

 

I see what you are saying, but I am just saying that there is no reasonable defense for Cam.  You can say Peyton had better WRs--maybe Lafell, Smitty, and Edwards would be stars with him.  Who knows.

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OK

 

 

thanks again bro

 

Red's advice has changed my life too.  I am thankful for him because I never knew that all of my opinions were wrong.  Whew.

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Now Marvin Harris and Reggie Wayne, Clark , Pollard, Saturday, Glenn, Meadows, Ej all suck without Peyton??? Really??

 

 

The Bears defense Last year scored as many points as their Offense plus they caused a ton of TO that is way they were 10-6.

 

 

We really could go on forever with this argument and neither would win or change the other's mind.  Here is why:

 

When you have a good QB, the WRs are better.  Our WRs suck.

When the opposing offense is having to take chances to keep up with your offense, the defense gets more turnovers.  WHen we score 12 points per game, the opposing offenses can stay conservative and wait for our 4th quarter meltdown.

So you can't say that our line gives up more sacks than Denver's and that means they are worse if the QB holds the ball 1.5 seconds longer per pass play. 

I respect your opinion and see it clearly, but there are just 2 or more sides to every stat.  Bottom line to me is this: Who does Cam make better?  Is Smitty better now than with Jake?  Is DW better?  Stew?  

 

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